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FTWjesse · 02-21-2010, 01:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mbtech

I work at Garrett Turbos, now called Honeywell Turbo Technologies which there so proud of. When Cliff Garrett Owned Garrett He used to brown bag his lunch everyday and cared for a quality Product. If he knew what Honeywell has done now he would turn over in his grave. Honeywell bought Garrett In 1998 or 1999. After this they opened up a turbo testing lab in shanghai China and quickly moved there turbo overhaul to Mexicali Mexico, quickly after Garrett overhaul went belly-up. So they moved there whole production to Mexicali Mexico, as if that first failure was not a sign.

Garrett Turbos made a quality product for a fair price. A turbo is a precision instrument. Garrett turbos was part of Garrett Air Research (on 190th st. In Torrance ca.) Where they have a huge facility designing turbine engines, and so on. Most of the senior technicians in our main turbo facility (Lomita Blvd Torrance ca) came from our air research. If you’re building jet engines a turbo is not all that difficult. Well Cliff Garrett dies. At that time ALL production of Garrett Turbos was at Lomita Torrance ca. Also all engineering and research was there as well. After we were bought and production was sent to Mexico to save costs. Our production numbers doubled. And cost was cut in half our failure rate tripled. Well who cares Honeywell is making money and lots of it. Turbos are considered Honeywell’s golden egg. They feel that turbos are going to take over big. Which it already has in the diesel market. We make ford diesel turbos, daf, Chevrolet, some Audi, vw, fiat, Perkins. Millions of turbos. And there now all coming from china and Mexico. Well up until lately the company figured if the product was designed in the US and assembled in Mexico we would be ok. Well to further there profit and **** the customer once again....the LAST of what makes turbo American leaves in January 2011. We will close the doors to the Torrance Lab. In Torrance we did all our racing turbos (wrc stuff, Audi racing etc..) then in the garret garage we did the turbos you people buy for your Subaru’s. Actually I take that back. They take turbos that were made on a production line somewhere else in the world, and change a couple of parts on a bench in Torrance (wheels, housing..etc) and send it to you the customer saying it was made in the us.....no it was not it was just repackaged and altered a little. Well as of Jan 2011 all your turbos will be made in Mexico or china or Czech Republic. This is the last Garrett facility in the United States.

We have huge law suits pending due to turbo failures. GM is probably going to leave us.... ford has already sued us. Caterpillar has one of the largest recalls in garret history in the process. Our name is becoming ****. The last few VERY smart guys left in the company are being fired to save costs, but see our profit is already good.....they just want more. Please don’t spend 1500$ on a gt35r. Now that it’s costing Honeywell less to build turbos do you think you will see a smaller bill when you order there product? NO!. They are going to charge you even more for even less. There are countless procedures that are being terminated everyday that made our turbos THE BEST. They keep cutting corner after corner. Did you know that we shave metal off our turbine and compressor housings until they are at the EXTREME minimum needed to contain in the event of failure they are shaving every nickel off the cost of a turbo. Did you know that 2000$ gt40 you buy is all mark up. I won’t dare say the actual cost to the company in fear of a lawsuit but lets just say your sales tax is more then the production cost.

Do not buy these turbos. BorgWarner and mitsu are trying there best to compete with us making a quality product. Honeywell is using its big name to back junky turbos Like Toyota is starting to do. I guarantee in the next 8 months you will see a huge decline in quality. All designing and production is in CHINA AND MEXICO. Honeywell is taking back all there benefits they used to supply us with as employees. That way when they lay us off its as cheap as possible. Instead of saying "Well after we take a hit laying those people off we will make tons" they are just taking back all there benefits so they walk away clean and clear. We used to get a severance package. Which they just took away. One of the head engineers involved in the t3 project. (Designing the first t3) he is still with our company. he was supposed to get 44 weeks of pay if he ever got layed off (30 days and 1 week for every year with the company. 40 years with the company)Due to the new Honeywell rules he gets only 16 weeks pay they stole all that pack after promising it to him for 40 years. My fingers and about to fall off typing all this and I am heated so I don’t care about grammar I’m concerned about you people not supporting a Nazi company. Take your business elsewhere. Somewhere where you will get what your money pays for. Have a nice day and don’t forget if you hear the name HTT Honeywell Turbo Technologies Stay away

(They still use the garret stamp on the turbos)

quoted from another forum I frequent

satal95 · 02-21-2010, 01:35 PM

Wow that suxs lol so now XS turbo's are going to be better then garret

FTWjesse · 02-21-2010, 01:39 PM

xs, borg warner.

a lot of companies will be.

wgJoY · 02-21-2010, 01:55 PM

Yikes!

Tragic :/

shiftdrift · 02-21-2010, 01:58 PM

you spelled garrett wrong

**ThatGuy** · 02-21-2010, 02:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shiftdrift

you spelled garrett wrong

...and you posted in Chat.

Moved--->

Jakob · 02-21-2010, 02:07 PM

2 of my buddies turbos ( gt28rs and gt2871r) blew after 7000km (3450miles google ftw) because of bearing failure. both of them were bought brand new and used the proper oil fittings run on a ca18det.

now i don't say that this is a proof for the quoted text above, but it made me think twice about spending money on a garrett turbo.

to me they were always bulletproof turbos, my buddies 1995 s14 with 190000km has its first turbo (and its been abused!!) my 1995 s14 has 140000km and it still has his first turbo, both were made by garret.

i guess everything is just getting worse because humans are more concerned about how much money they save/earn instead of being proud to produce or buy a quality product.

*brndck* · 02-21-2010, 02:16 PM

time for a holset!!!!
sucks to see that yet another company has fallen victim to greed over quality.

frftw · 02-21-2010, 02:23 PM

thats sad. i hope this dont mean that all the s15 bb turbos will suck

ranger240 · 02-21-2010, 02:26 PM

so one anonymous bitter poster is going to serve as a primary source for not buying a product?

R_G · 02-21-2010, 02:26 PM

what forum is this from?

Om1kron · 02-21-2010, 02:33 PM

I was thinking of going turbonetics anyway.

illvialuver · 02-21-2010, 02:38 PM

Sounds like everything will be china spec within the next 5 years.

MADE · 02-21-2010, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ranger240

so one anonymous bitter poster is going to serve as a primary source for not buying a product?

Of course thats the beauty of the internet, you can post random BS and people will listen and not do the research. Kinda like the news. I can't say if this info is valid or not but I wouldn't not buy a garrett turbo just because of this post. This is kinda like the one post about the glued together turbine housing, or the Rota wheel. Post and wait for people to co-sign and the people who have never owned or planned to own will tell everyone else it's garbage.

*fliprayzin240sx* · 02-21-2010, 03:24 PM

I was never impressed with Garret even tho I've run them alot. I've had a GT2871R, old school T04-S, GT3071R and now on a GT3582R. How hard is it to add a bead of silicon or add an O-ring to seal the fucking compressor housing onto the CHRA?!?! Fucking shit always leaks, I've even seen them leak thru the damn bolts.

[w]hite[r]abbit[x] · 02-21-2010, 03:29 PM

Honey Well was at our Career Fair at Iowa State University. I don't know why they even showed up at the career fair if they aren't even hiring any engineers.

SmogSUX · 02-21-2010, 03:32 PM

Holset FTW

I <3 my Holset. Made in the UK, no China made shiz here

*brndck* · 02-21-2010, 04:10 PM

/\/\/\ hey dood your pistons fell out.

*I LUV MY S13* · 02-21-2010, 04:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MADE

Of course thats the beauty of the internet, you can post random BS and people will listen and not do the research. Kinda like the news. I can't say if this info is valid or not but I wouldn't not buy a garrett turbo just because of this post. This is kinda like the one post about the glued together turbine housing, or the Rota wheel. Post and wait for people to co-sign and the people who have never owned or planned to own will tell everyone else it's garbage.

yep agree with this..lets see how this progresses

SmogSUX · 02-21-2010, 04:26 PM

D: Oh shit wherez mah pistons?? Oh found em..they were in my calipers

Psycho 240 Freak · 02-21-2010, 04:39 PM

Everything is being sent out of the country to be made now, not just Garrett turbos.

*Sergio180sx* · 02-21-2010, 05:28 PM

Aw shit i cant wait to see how many pages this thread will get......i say 16 pages

Teddy · 02-21-2010, 05:45 PM

Great. More knock-off stuff. Just what we need.

Z U L8R · 02-21-2010, 06:25 PM

i call bs.

i rox precision turbo's (reworked gangstafied garrett's)

Dave

BlitzRPS13 · 02-21-2010, 07:32 PM

Glad i have a Greddy turbo that is made by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries.

voodoo_child · 02-21-2010, 08:17 PM

correct me if im wrong but is HKS using GARRETT turbo housing?

C.leland · 02-21-2010, 08:50 PM

this bums me out. i hope its not true.

NINJASPY · 02-21-2010, 09:54 PM

quoted and snipped--

"Well Cliff Garrett dies. At that time ALL production of Garrett Turbos was at Lomita Torrance ca. Also all engineering and research was there as well. After we were bought and production was sent to Mexico to save costs. Our production numbers doubled. And cost was cut in half our failure rate tripled. Well who cares Honeywell is making money and lots of it."

Cliff Garrett - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
wiki says Cliff Garrett died in 1963. So brown bagging it and etc, don't mean shit. The man died 47years ago.
heres the wiki for garret/aireasearch Garrett AiResearch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
its not their first merger. Merger means new. NEW, things change. Names may stay the same, but things will change.

The last merger was in 1999, 10-11 frigging years ago. How many turbos that we(zilvian's) typically run that are that old? maybe stock turbos, but not much else.

If it was not for china turbos... where would cx racing/etc be without them? and our 600dollar gt35's?

midnight_rex · 02-21-2010, 11:11 PM

lol im using turbonetics...id rather have a rebuild-able turbo than spending another 1200. nothing wrong with journal bearing turbos =)

*K_style* · 02-21-2010, 11:16 PM

Man.. I just bought S15 turbos...
I think it should be fine....

02-21-2010, 01:35 PM	#2
satal95 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: sa Age: 31 Posts: 1,370 Trader Rating: (23) Feedback Score: 23 reviews	Wow that suxs lol so now XS turbo's are going to be better then garret __________________ Signature image exceeds allowable size.

02-21-2010, 02:07 PM	#7
Jakob Zilvia Junkie Join Date: May 2006 Location: deutschland Age: 24 Posts: 483 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	2 of my buddies turbos ( gt28rs and gt2871r) blew after 7000km (3450miles google ftw) because of bearing failure. both of them were bought brand new and used the proper oil fittings run on a ca18det. now i don't say that this is a proof for the quoted text above, but it made me think twice about spending money on a garrett turbo. to me they were always bulletproof turbos, my buddies 1995 s14 with 190000km has its first turbo (and its been abused!!) my 1995 s14 has 140000km and it still has his first turbo, both were made by garret. i guess everything is just getting worse because humans are more concerned about how much money they save/earn instead of being proud to produce or buy a quality product. Last edited by Jakob; 02-21-2010 at 02:09 PM.. Reason: english fail

02-21-2010, 02:16 PM	#8
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02-21-2010, 01:39 PM	#3
FTWjesse Zilvia Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Covina Posts: 163 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	xs, borg warner. a lot of companies will be.

02-21-2010, 01:55 PM	#4
wgJoY Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: 626 Posts: 634 Trader Rating: (8) Feedback Score: 8 reviews	Yikes! Tragic :/

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shiftdrift Nissanaholic! Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: indiana Age: 22 Posts: 2,085 Trader Rating: (40) Feedback Score: 40 reviews	you spelled garrett wrong

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frftw Leaky Injector Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: usa Posts: 140 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	thats sad. i hope this dont mean that all the s15 bb turbos will suck

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R_G Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: Monterey Bay/Watsonville Posts: 388 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	what forum is this from?

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illvialuver Post Whore! Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: M-A-R-S... MARS BITCHES Age: 30 Posts: 4,690 Trader Rating: (33) Feedback Score: 33 reviews	Sounds like everything will be china spec within the next 5 years.

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SmogSUX Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Chico Age: 24 Posts: 582 Trader Rating: (15) Feedback Score: 15 reviews	D: Oh shit wherez mah pistons?? Oh found em..they were in my calipers __________________ 96 S14 w/ Kouki Front 05 Yamaha YZF600

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Psycho 240 Freak Zilvia Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Northern California Posts: 228 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Everything is being sent out of the country to be made now, not just Garrett turbos.

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Z U L8R Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Georgia Age: 31 Posts: 1,195 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	i call bs. i rox precision turbo's (reworked gangstafied garrett's) Dave __________________ RB25 280z GT30/76R 441hp/381tq 11.9@125

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BlitzRPS13 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Edmonton, AB, Canada Posts: 245 Trader Rating: (3) Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Glad i have a Greddy turbo that is made by Mitsubishi Heavy Industries.

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voodoo_child Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: socal Age: 30 Posts: 307 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	correct me if im wrong but is HKS using GARRETT turbo housing?

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C.leland BANNED Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: usa Age: 26 Posts: 13 Trader Rating: (0) Feedback Score: 0 reviews	this bums me out. i hope its not true.

02-21-2010, 09:54 PM	#28
NINJASPY Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: So-cal Los Angeles 626 Age: 32 Posts: 1,009 Trader Rating: (13) Feedback Score: 13 reviews	quoted and snipped-- "Well Cliff Garrett dies. At that time ALL production of Garrett Turbos was at Lomita Torrance ca. Also all engineering and research was there as well. After we were bought and production was sent to Mexico to save costs. Our production numbers doubled. And cost was cut in half our failure rate tripled. Well who cares Honeywell is making money and lots of it." Cliff Garrett - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia wiki says Cliff Garrett died in 1963. So brown bagging it and etc, don't mean shit. The man died 47years ago. heres the wiki for garret/aireasearch Garrett AiResearch - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia its not their first merger. Merger means new. NEW, things change. Names may stay the same, but things will change. The last merger was in 1999, 10-11 frigging years ago. How many turbos that we(zilvian's) typically run that are that old? maybe stock turbos, but not much else. If it was not for china turbos... where would cx racing/etc be without them? and our 600dollar gt35's?

02-21-2010, 11:11 PM	#29
midnight_rex Zilvia Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: houston, tx Age: 26 Posts: 239 Trader Rating: (1) Feedback Score: 1 reviews	lol im using turbonetics...id rather have a rebuild-able turbo than spending another 1200. nothing wrong with journal bearing turbos =)

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