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it doesnt bother me if someone is gay as long as they keep it to themselves. Im not all for the hey lets go march in a parade and scream to the world that we are gay tho. Yes you can be proud about your sexuality but you shouldnt try to impose it on others. If a guy likes to take it in the butt so be it. just dont come telling me about it.

I honestly think that people are not born gay but that they either decide to be gay or something in their childhood pushed them into becoming gay. Society does shape how people become and it plays a large factor into whether a kid will choose a guy over a girl.

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If and when gay marriage is passed then you wouldn't hear as much about it. So they will keep marching forth until something happens. Why is it that the only time people talk about gay people, it's dudes giving it to another dude 8/10. Funny how most guys have no problem with lesbians.

There are many people including a few instances in this thread stating that they just happen to like the same sex. This isn't about a girl sucking some dick in an alley way because her dad was away from home drunk. This is something that many people feel inside. As I stated earlier there are a few instances out there that someone of the opposite sex did something to turn off a few people and drive them to looking for love in the same gender. But that's not anywhere close to the majority.

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BustedS13

YES. that's one hypocrisy that never fails to piss me off.

also yeah, all the gay pride stuff will wear off once they get something. probably not so much in SFO.

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Zar I know some dudes say that they just feel a stronger attraction to guys over girls. but I doubt they will come on a forum and say that they were touched wrongly when they were a kid. So its kinda hard to say that they were just born gay. No one will openly admit that there are other factors that could have made them the way they are. It would be easier to say I think I was born gay on a forum than to say I was touched as a kid or I grew up in a house with no father figure. Get what im saying?

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and certainly that may be the case for SOME gay people, but certainly not ALL gay people.

!Zar!

I already said earlier that there are some cases where people were driven to being turned off by the opposite sex. A majority of those people were driven away due to bad dating experiences. To segment this even further, this instance happens more so with girls that it does guys.

Not to mention they way you say it sounds as if male children were touched at an early age and were afraid of women? There are way too many homosexual men in the world for that to even hold remotely possible.

Personally I had a thing for women since an early age. Around the age of 4~ I had a thing for women with big breasts; told to me by my parents. At the age of five I was trying to kiss girls in school. Never once did I think about kissing guys; and remember, most kids around this age think girls have cooties. Does that mean they are gay? No.

Just two weeks ago I had a fairly long and personal conversation with a man who had me editing his autobiography. In his autobiography was him talking about how he felt towards girls/boys growing up and eventually coming out. I had no idea that he was gay until I edited his paper.

Science hasn't proven if one is truthfully born gay, but it's hard to believe otherwise. The argument that people force one to be a certain way is hard to understand.

I think people are born gay.
Though disliking gays is something that one is raised to feel.

As for the Castro in SF. Honestly, it isn't as gay as people make it sounds. Don't get me wrong, there is some pretty gay shit out there, but nothing like the cock parties that the media seems to make it sound.

Now during halloween/gay pride/ lovefeast. That's a different story.

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i see what you are saying zar. maybe people are born gay as in they have an imbalance of chemicals in the brain. I really have no idea. God really did give us freedom of choice and theres nothign wrong with that. Maybe people see being gay as a new trend. beats me! Like i said, as long as they keep it to themselves, let them be.

yes if the church refuses to marry a couple, they should have the right to do so as it goes against their beliefs. i do not think they should be penalized in anyway for saying no to marriages of same sex couples even if it is passed. Rather as stated above, have a judge take place of the priest.

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so either they choose to be gay and will burn in hell, right
or they have a chemical imbalance in their brain and aren't part of the "master race", right

dude not cool

Vision Garage

Haha busted im not saying they will be burned in hell. Im just saying that I really dont know if people are born or choose it. I believe that its more of a life decision or it has to do something with how related to how they were raised and their environment growing up. If a priest says that be believes marraige should only be between and man and woman, then that is his belief. He should not be forced to marry a couple that goes against his own beliefs. Im sure there are other priest who wouldnt mind but to actually say hey im going to fine you for not marrying this gay couple is complete BS.

Its kinda like making a doctor perform an abortion when they themselves are against it. You can always go to another priest who doesnt mind gay marraiges. So not saying they cant get married, but to respect the beliefs of others as well.

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LOL so now you have equated people who feel they were born gay as possibly having a chemical imbalance. LOL wow you are clueless. Do you realize people with chemical imbalances are mentally sick? As in Hallucinations, and or bi polar or manic depressive.
You really should go study Human Physiology and the Brain.

Your ignorance based on your religious beliefs is phenomenal. People seeing gay as a new trend. LOL
People deciding to be ostracized? LOL People deciding to be discriminated against? You really have no clue do you?
Nor do you really want to entertain one.

You have pretty much branded them wrong and that is the end of it.
I will say this yet again in this thread and this based on your own religious beliefs, do not judge others let you be judged yourself.

It blows my mind when people like you make the statements you make. Usually two different things happen with men who are touched by other men when they are young. They turn into alienated to society personalities more likely to commit violent crime or they become introverted reluctant types. Not gay.

It just cracks me up when people think a gay person male or female just makes a decision to change teams(like its that simple). Anyone that winds up going the other direction? Pretty much does so based on genuine feelings they have always had regardless.

Society puts women in the place that it feels they are supposed to be as it does with men.
These people quite often try to be what society wants them to be based on their upbringing.

Given all of that, to the average person it looks like they made a decision to become gay or lesbian. That is very short sighted. They made a decision to come to terms with their sexuality and accept it, so they could not be so conflicted and be happier about themselves.

Ever heard the term "you cannot love someone until you love yourself"? Well its pretty much true and quite often these people have to accept who they are, not what society tells them they must be, to actually start feeling ok with themselves and loving themselves.

Trust me ,if you do not feel good about yourself, you will never really have a loving a relationship with your opposite. Or even have an opposite to love.
People are not attracted to people who do not love themselves. Be it straight or gay.

Oh and more for the road "in order to receive one must be able to give"".

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man you guys sure are mad at people for giving their opinions. I dont really care of people are gay or not. How they become gay or if they are born gay is just an opinion. Stop getting all butt hurt from people expressing THEIR OWN OPINION. I already said if they want to get married then go do it but dont force a priest who is against it to do it.

All i did was post a question to see what people thought. Didnt know I would be crucified on the forums just for giving my opinion.

Man you girls sure are sensitive! Carry on!

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Mad? Naw, not at all, dislike for ignorance and insensitivity? Yes. You like others on this forum have to stop thinking people are butt hurt when the express points that call in to question yours.

You fail at debate 101. Oh and no one is forcing a priest to marry them . Once again you show your ignorance. The proposal was over civil marriage and the law had already been passed allowing it.

The religious right chose to put up a referendum to repeal the law. That is exactly what the whole prop was about.

Like I have said and Zar has pointed out as well the whole prop and vote over it was a farce and full of shit.

Now if your going to come in here and talk politics you are going to have expect debate and people who disagree with you.
You like C4USMC can't seem to take a debate without feeling like we take it personally. Nothing personal just opinions, facts and differences. LOL

Maybe you should be the one not feeling butt hurt

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FaLKoN240

I forgot to add that some gays are religious, and that's why they want to be married.

Don't ask me why, or how it makes sense...

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Probably how religous people can be religious yet still fornicate etc. because in some religions all sins are the same so that one they probably feel ok with.

I don't know that has mystified me too.

Here is something I want to know, What do studz(butch gay girls) wear to the beach or pool???

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Some denominations allow female pastors. Some allow gays. Some don't allow their religious leaders to marry. Some advise birth control, some condemn it. Westboro Baptist likes to ruin soldiers' funerals.
Point is, there's more than one religion. That's how it makes sense.

SexPanda

I like that. You just made a whole lotta sense. Religion is on of those things created by man that can be used for good or bad. I personally think that religion is a huge tree lying in the road of progress... But don't get me wrong, I believe in God. I just think that human progress sometimes necessitates forgetting about what your God does or doesn't like, and instead focusing on what needs to be done.

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Religion itself is not the problem. It is man's interpretation of said religion. Because of our different perspectives what I see in a book that makes me feel like I should be accepting to people and not judge them someone else sees it as its okay to stand at a street corner and yell at people with megaphones.

If religion wasnt there it would just be replaced by something else. People who are atheist or agnostic still can be just as hateful towards gays as religious people.

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What if science found out that "gayness" is cureable, would you take the pill?

What about if science found out that being straight is abnormal, and it could be cured, would you take the pill?

Before you condemn something as wrong, scientifically, morally or religiously, I really think you need to define what "right" is and figure out what the actual difference is.

What makes X "wrong"?
-Evidence doesn't support X
-X hurts people (actually hurts, I don't give a shit if you are offended)
How else can you logically define what "wrong" means?

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uh, hello, gays are bad because:
-gays are yucky (except lady gays, SOOO HAWT)
-bible SAYS gays are yucky, uh sodom and gomorrah, HELLOOOO (does not apply to lady gays)
-i think if a chick fucks a donkey you have to cut off her hand or something

Matej

What if someone slipped it in your drink?

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afwfjustin

I've thought this way for a long time. If marriage is a religious thing, then I don't want it.

For reference, I'm a gay loving, straight atheist who is a conservative libertarian..

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afwfjustin

No offense but that's a pretty ignorant statement. My younger brother had the same upbringing that I did. When I was 2-3 I played with He-Man toys. When he was that age he played house, was obsessed with The Wizard of Oz, and wore my mom's high heels.

You are BORN gay, just like some people are born to have a preference for blondes or brunettes, like asses or tits, have a foot fetish (myself), or are lactose intolerant. It's in your genes dawg.

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i think if ur gonna be gay and want to marry eachother, then you should be able to. i believe in those right and many others, but when i was in Seattle, the Gay Pride parade they have there every year, hmm, unknowingly walked thru that after a night of partying to a breakfast place, there were naked men on bikes, some naked women. i think thats neat they can do that, but is that really necessary? im not big on "pride," but am huge on rights. i think pride is a big downer to a person if exerted too much, if that makes sense.
on a side note, gay men can have sex in a safe manner if they choose.
what about the women? am i clueless or is syran wrap the only option? gross to think about if ur messin around with a bi-girl, and added that they are more suseptable to std's. these things concern me with "alternative lifestyles."
Florida has a lot of gay people, funny tho that theres so many homophobes here. If ur gonna be gay, be gay and get married if ur serious about commitment, have a gay wedding and ill try not to think of the honeymoon, haha. i personally, am not turned on by lesbians, nor gay men for that matter. all the various religions despising gays can suck my nuts. there is a thing such as evolution, sciences, GOD, who ever yours is, shouldnt strike down on you for any mutations within your genes or DNA or anything. thats enough thought on all that.

afwfjustin

The "eat pussy" contraceptive is called a dental dam.



Not very erotic huh?

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If I have to use that shit I don't need to be eatin it.

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so your brothers gay, and you have a foot fetish. Tell us more of your parents involvement in your life....

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If a couple (hetero or homo sexual), with full and complete knowledge and understanding of all the legal implications, wants to become party to a legally binding and dynamic contract with the state without duress. I am not going to say they can't.

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I say let them get married fuck it.

If anybody on here knows some one that has gotten divorced knows that at the end they are happier single or sad. let them get married. they will want to vote no at the end.

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Its OK dude, he's one of those many types that figures 'if I type more, it makes me right and others wrong'. Its kinda a 'self-honor' that many time wasting keyboard commandos do. If he's lucky, he'll go over to supercars.net and fit in really well with people that have nearly 100,000 posts of the same repetitive nonsense. My advice, don't talk back to him, and use the internet to learn new things instead of seeking out repetitive and rhetorical topics.

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