cc4usmc

I don't know if this is already in here.. but..

YouTube - Howard Stern - Clueless Obama Voters In Harlem

I'm not concerned with who's going to be pres anymore because I believe either way it's going to blow. I'm more concerned with how I'm going to get ahead.

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KA24DESOneThree

I only look to keep things fair. I will call out partisan hackery posted by anyone.

For example, for the "Palin bus shot at" bullshit by RJF, see here:

The Weekly Standard

Also, keep in mind that if the bus had actually been shot at, which it wasn't, it would not be indicative of the mindset of all Democrats or Obama supporters, simply of the person pulling the trigger.

I am certainly with you on one thing for sure: this election just needs to be done with!

I'm sick of the left digging up Joe the Plumber's past and legal issues, and I'm sick of the right digging up Obama's former classmates and his mother's choice in men.

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RJF

This is really nice.

Woman Attacked At ATM, Assailant Scratches Letter Into Her Face - Pittsburgh News Story - WTAE Pittsburgh

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PHLIP

It is also fake as fucking Santa Claus:

Now, before anyone starts crying "liberal media" as Republicans so often do, please pay attention to where that image is hosted by clicking here:
http://www.foxnews.com/images/root_i..._nushelied.jpg

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RJF

^^ Just like the shouts of "Kill him"

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Just like those magic bulletholes.

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98s14inaz

That fat bitch is disgusting. I can't believe she did that. Someone needs to make a "pwned" gif of her. The "B" on her face is backwards too which means she did it in the mirror. What a retard.

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The Folly of Obama’s Tax Plan — The American, A Magazine of Ideas

Senator Obama’s proposed ‘tax cuts for the middle class’ are actually marginal rate hikes in disguise.

Senator Barack Obama declared recently that he wants to “reform our tax code so that it rewards work and not just wealth.” We think that is a great goal if it means a simple tax system with low marginal tax rates. Unfortunately, a close inspection of Obama’s proposals reveals something disquieting: he would raise marginal tax rates for many middle-income taxpayers, a bad move for anyone seeking to promote economic growth.

Although Obama is offering a new series of tax breaks, they undermine rather than improve economic incentives. First, whether or not you get those breaks will depend on your income. In Washington, taking away tax breaks as families work harder to make more money is called a “phase-out.” Economists have a different name for it—we call it a tax. Reducing a person’s tax credit as his income goes up also reduces his incentive to earn more income.

Second, Obama would make some credits refundable for families with credits bigger than their tax liability, which would also have the nefarious effect of raising marginal tax rates. For example, consider a worker in the 10 percent bracket with $1,000 of tax liability before credits who claims $1,200 in credits. The tax impact of earning an extra $100 depends on whether the credit is refundable. If it’s not refundable, there’s no tax penalty on earning the extra $100 because the worker’s tax liability stays at zero. But if the credit is refundable, earning the extra money pushes the tax up from negative $200 to negative $190—that’s a 10 percent penalty on earning income.

Although Obama is offering a new series of tax breaks, they undermine rather than improve economic incentives.

The solid line in the nearby chart illustrates the effective marginal tax rate under Obama’s tax proposals (based on the authoritative “Preliminary Analysis of the 2008 Presidential Candidates’ Tax Plans,” published by the Brookings Institution/Urban Institute’s Tax Policy Center). These are the marginal rates in 2009 for a two-earner couple with two children—a college freshman and a 12-year-old receiving after-school care—under some specific assumptions. For comparison, the dotted line on the chart illustrates the effective tax rates under current law. The rates shown in the chart are not spelled out in the tax code; they are the result of giving and taking away tax breaks as the household’s income changes.



As the chart shows, Obama’s give-and-take tax policy results in marginal tax rates of 34 percent to 39 percent in the $31,000 to $45,000 income range for this family. That’s an increase of 13 percentage points or more from the current rates.

What accounts for the higher rates? First, Obama expands the maximum child and dependent care credit for families with one young child from $1,050 to $1,500 and phases down the credit over a longer income range, from $30,000 to $58,000. Throughout this income range, the credit is phasing out at a rate of $30 per $1,000 of income, thus raising the effective tax rate by 3 percentage points. Obama also makes certain credits refundable, which introduces a tax penalty of 10 percent or 15 percent, depending on the income bracket.

While Obama has publicly embraced a tax rate of 40 percent for couples earning over $350,000, his tax policies would result in a staggering 45 percent effective marginal rate in the $110,000 to $120,000 income range for this family. That is 11 percentage points higher than under current law.

FS_Obama_Tax.jpgThe culprit in this case is Obama’s proposed reform of the Hope Scholarship Tax Credit for college tuition, which he would rename the “American Opportunity Tax Credit.” He would increase the credit’s maximum value from $1,800 to $4,000 while still phasing out the credit over the same income range, $100,000 to $120,000. The larger phase-out would boost the penalty on work from 9 percentage points to 20 percentage points.

Although Senator John McCain would not eliminate the existing phase-outs, he would avoid adding new ones, with one small and temporary exception. While McCain has proposed increasing the personal exemption for children, he would make it immediately available only to lower-income taxpayers. Until the bigger exemption is offered to everyone in 2016, some households would face an additional effective marginal tax rate of about 2 percentage points.

To be sure, Obama’s proposals would not tarnish an otherwise pristine tax code. As the chart shows, the U.S. tax code is already littered with phase-ins and phase-outs. For that matter, it’s hard to know how much phase-outs actually discourage people from earning additional income. Because the phase-outs are so hard to decipher, many Americans may ignore them when making their work and saving decisions. Of course, those people are still burdened by the long and frustrating IRS worksheets required to compute the value of their tax credits; and creating a more confusing tax code certainly does not make for good government.

While both candidates will reduce their tax plans to clever sound bites, voters should consider how those plans would affect incentives to earn income. Unfortunately, Senator Obama’s proposed “tax cuts for the middle class” are actually marginal rate hikes in disguise.

Alex Brill is a research fellow and Alan D. Viard is a resident scholar at the American Enterprise Institute.

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HalveBlue

Look, this election boils down to this; ask yourselves: Are you better off today than you were 8 years ago?

Simple as that.

Are you happier today than 8 years ago?

8 years ago, did you imagine that this is the environment you would want to live in?

If you were a young 22 year-old College grad, in the year 2000, you would be 30 years old now and statistically inclined to start a family. Back when you were 22, did you imagine 2008 to be like it is today?

If the answer is no to these questions you know that Obama is the right candidate to pick. Perhaps not the perfect choice, but the best alternative to the current state of affairs.

kognition

I have not read this entire thread, but i was rooting for Ron Paul. I am less worried about tax hikes than i am getting the fuck out of Iraq. That's where the tax money has been draining to the last 5 years. We need to stop the wholesale flood of money that is going into Iraq. No other country cares about us. The current president has blown more tax payers money on this war than we could ever stand to lose in a tax hike from the Dems.
And i do believe socialized healthcare can work. After all, look at all of the old people that go in droves to Canada to get generic drugs over brand names here in the states. Their system works!

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KA24DESOneThree

Obama is NOT the best alternative. Ron Paul/Bob Barr are better.

Eight years ago, I was a 14-year-old neocon. Now I'm a classical liberal/libertarian, mad as hell at how screwed this country is.

Am I better off? No. Will I be better off with Obama? Hell no!

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98s14inaz

I saw that and seriously LOL'd. I bet that pinko socialist Obama has a hammer and scythe on his boxers amiright comrades?

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HalveBlue

I should have said best, viable candidate. Personally, I'd like to have a candidate that has the intellectualism and intelligence of Nader and mix them with the likability of Clinton. But, that's neither here nor there. Why?

Because from the very beginning, due to the very design of the American political system, this race was between a Democratic nominee and a Republican nominee.

It's essentially a two nominee race, and the one that distinguish himself the most from Bush wins. Obama wins.

The Bush administration came to, and stayed in, power on two very rocky elections. Both the 2000 and 2004 election were heavily contested.

The 2000 election was founded on Clinton hate and catered toward the new and powerful Moral Conservative movement which had grown large enough to form a politically dominant force in the Republican party. Bush's ticket barely won, or didn't win at all, depending on who you ask.

In 2004 Bush barely won again, mostly due to the trust and good nature of the American people who didn't want to step away from their political leader in a time of crisis.

I think by now, 2008, everyone is terribly sick of the past 8 years. Things have aged now and have had more time to set in. Nobody wants an even remotely close imitation or continuation of the last 8 years.

Have you ever researched the Bush administration and checked it against a list of notable events while they've been in power? I have. And it doesn't look well. It's like, there's no positive events taking place whatsoever in the Bush administration chronicles that the administration has been responsible for.

If I were to chronicle this administration in under 25 words it'd be this: Terrorist Attack, War, Economic Crisis, Another War, Inadequate care for Veterans, Worst Ever Natural Disaster in America, Spying, Torture, Economic Crisis, Debt.

The 2008 Presidential Race was one of two political candidates trying to distinguish themselves from the previous President. McCain lost.

Obama won.

RJF

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KA24DESOneThree

Elegantly written. I'd posi-rep you for this post if I could.

I have checked the last eight years of offenses and happenings and agree with you.

Katrina was the costliest natural disaster but not the worst in terms of deaths. I think Nagin and LA have to shoulder most of the burden of governmental failure on that one.

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racepar1

The honest to god truth is that I really don't think that either one of them is worth voting for. This is the same shit as the last election, two weak candidates. The truth is (as has already been stated) that whoever differentiates themselves the most from Bush wins. McCain doesn't stand a chance. He has to find a way to distance himself from Bush without alienating the bush administration, not an easy task. Obama on the other hand can trash the Bush administration all he wants, and that is all he really has to do. McCain made a brilliant move picking Palin as his running mate. Obama was supposed to lock up the minority vote just because he was "black" so McCain picked Palin which was supposed to lock up the female vote. Will it actually work like that? Absolutely not, but it was a brilliant move none the less. I honestly think that McCain is better qualified to run the country then Obama is, but after the last 8 years of republican occupation I simply cannot trust McCain. I will vote for Obama just because I want something different and I don't think McCain will be different enough from Bush.

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WanganRunner

Anyone in a safe Democratic state who supports Obama should vote for Bob Barr.

If the Libertarians get 5% of the popular vote nationally, they will get matching federal campaign funding in 2012.

Libertarian-minded members of the current GOP, which is a huge percentage of their constituency, have avoided the party because it is not viable and generally populated by crazies. If they became viable vis-a-vis federal funding, one of two things would happen:

1.) The GOP would be forced to radically change it's image to retain these voters. This would mean marginalizing the social conservatives and no longer bowing to their whims with moves like the Palin nomination. As much sway as social conservatives hold in the GOP, fiscal conservatives/social moderates still hold more. The party would be forced to choose and the "Moral Majority" would get left out in the cold.

2.) The Libertarians would actually absorb these voters as well as a number of fiscally conservative "Blue Dog" Democrats, relegating the GOP to a third-place position, occupied only by the religious right.

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YouTube - Wassup 2008

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I need to poop

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Edit: + 1.3 Trillion B.O.B.

uhhh +2 Trillion B.O.B.

PHLIP

Time to start stocking up on non-perishables.

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Ryzin

Our current economic state can be best summed up as a poker game, something we're all familiar with: When a few players control the majority of the chips, that forces those with out chips to get them on credit. And when the credit runs out, the game stops.

You know, all these McCain supporters fail to realize, that in basic economic terms, taxes have been going up. And will continue to do so under either administrations. How? The devaluation of the dollar. If you don't know what I'm talking about, you probably shouldn't be voting this year.

Back when the Euro came out, it was about .86-.87 cents. Its upwards of 1.5-1.6 now. Once Barak gets elected, I believe we will see a global shift towards optimism, and a rise in the value of the dollar. (Even though these banks want the freedom to give loans to morons, but don't want the freedom to fail as they should need 1-3 trillion to get back to....profitability) That will translate into lower prices for most consumables, particularly oil.

McCain's supporters seem to be living in this dreamworld where their "wealth" is going to be taken from them, and given to secular single mothers who support gay marriage taught in schools. The fact of the matter is, they won't be earning real wealth (I define as 4-6k a week per person living in the Bay Area) any time soon. So they're living in fear that their fantasy is going to be taken from them. GG.

Secondly, this notion that you don't pay a fair share in taxes is STUPID. You cannot go to war, and cut taxes. That is a recipe for.....well what we have now. In fact I think there should now be a constitutional amendment such that, if a President wishes to put boots on the ground, there must be a significant increase in taxes to fully cover everything, especially veteran care and equipment repair.

The fact of the matter is, Obama offers the most inclusive, intelligent, forward thinking campaign.....where McCain simply keeps asking "Who is Barak Obama?" It's really disheartening to see these relations to communism and socialism in reference to Obama. If you knew what you were talking about, we've been in a socialist state since the New Deal, so get over it. Redistribute the wealth? What you've never paid into SSI?

Obama was #1 at Harvard and taught Constitutional Law at Columbia( WTB Habeas Corpus plz) , McCain got into Annapolis because of his grandfather and nearly failed out.

Obama is a stable, steady handed man. McCain is an arrogant, corrupt who uses his military experience to some how justify his "good" judgment and experience. Who did General Powell endorse? And why? Exactly.

Joe Biden is a veteran of Washington, where as Palin (aka Moron/secessionist) didn't own a passport less than a year ago.

Obama is a world cultured man, arguably one of the most intelligent people in the nation and has demonstrated his good judgment. Where as McCain uses the escalation ("Surge") as his good judgment, never minding the continuation of $10billion a month (roughly $4000 a second) to a country with a multi-billion budget surplus. While Bin Laden sits content as a man who just beat an E92 M3 in a 89 Fastback.

I can feel for the McCain supporters however. Working class white guys have been busting their ass for the last decade, and the world just seems to be passing them buy. Their health care, food, energy prices are going up, and their wages are stagnant. But that doesn't make the argument to vote for more failed policy.

Taxes have to be raised, GTF over it. We're in the hole well over 50 trillion (including all entitlements) and I'm not too keen on being in debt.

My two biggest beefs with Obama - 1) No outright support of Nuclear power. 2) Unviersal Healthcare? Wtfsticks brah?

But I believe this election is going to mark a major shift in the United States, and will help push us into a golden age of technology and progress. I mean what didn't you like about the 90s? The peace or the prosperity?

Edit> WanganRunner - I consider myself a libertarian, but I think a) thats a bad idea, b) no libertarian will ever be president, ever.

PHLIP

McCain Hiring Field Organizers Who Support Obama

This whole thing is not encouraging, so I might as well find the ironic funnies in it.
This last week will be FILTHY, but will make for the best television we've had in years. Sad, because the NBA season starts tomorrow.

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Matej

My little sister is supposed to have a mock election at school. What do elementary school kids know about politics? Obviously they just want to know who the parents support.
Ridiculous ya'llz.

RJF

Another station supposed banned for asking tough questions.

Breitbart.tv » Sources: Like Orlando, Biden Bans Philadelphia Station After Tough Interview

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Touch-screen voting machines register democratic vote as republican?

Voting Machines Switch Votes; Officials Blame Voters -- Update | Threat Level from Wired.com

KA24DESOneThree

You support an increase in taxes in a time of war. You are not a libertarian. You support an increase in taxes, period. You are NOT a libertarian, because raising taxes is NEVER the answer.

Also, you support a man who supported the continuation of the USA PATRIOT act. Let me repeat, you are NOT a libertarian. You support a man who does not care about the Second Amendment or the Fourth Amendment; you are NOT a libertarian.

Obama has made it clear that he respects not the sovereignty of other countries but the military power of ours. Neither he nor McCain will stop our attempts at being Team America: World Police.

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