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ECR33S14 · 11-29-2006, 09:04 PM

hey guys ive got a 95 S14 with a series 2 rb25det swap and my number 3 coil pack is bad. is there anything stateside with the same style coil pack i can use. i cant find anything that will work. and i also cant find series 2 rb25 or rb26 stock packs for sale. i really dont want to go aftermarket yet any information will be greatly appreciated.

drifts135 · 12-04-2006, 03:18 AM

Im by no means "new" to RBs, and have owned several RB powered vehicles, but I need a clutch NOW.

I have installed two clutches in all of my time owning these cars, both clutches were bought for a 300zx NA 90-up. They both fit fine on my RB20s.

I cannot find a reasonabley priced clutch to fit the horsepower needs of my current RB20.

(only a statement) I have seen a couple of companies (seemingly reputable companies) selling clutches and stating that a particular kit of theirs is for a SR20 or a RB20....

My question is, has anyone sat a rb20 clutch and p plate next to that of an sr20? Are they the same? WILL THE SR CLUTCH WORK TOO???????????

Seems too good to be true, any info?

Ps. I searched, but nothing crazy...10min at most.

newblood · 12-04-2006, 02:26 PM

i have a 1990 240sx and i want to go rb20....what will i need to install it...does it bolt up,does it not,...what parts do i need

KingPastry · 12-04-2006, 04:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by newblood

i have a 1990 240sx and i want to go rb20....what will i need to install it...does it bolt up,does it not,...what parts do i need

search around a little and you'll find the answer easily.. your motor choice is by far the easiest swap of the rb's

Chemical Whore · 12-06-2006, 10:47 PM

Any know if nismo sells camshaft blanks for the RB25DET?

drifts135 · 12-08-2006, 09:03 PM

anyone got a clue on the sr/rb clutch thing?????

*drift freaq* · 12-08-2006, 10:02 PM

Lets knock all these questions down.
Series 2 coilpacks? No there is no U.S. car that I know of that ran the same thing. There could be now. I suggest you research it a little buy contacting a Nissan dealer and showing them your coilpack for a cross reference. Other than that, look to a importer for spare coilpacks, or even ebay. I have seen them pop up on ebay from time to time.

On to the clutch question

RB clutches are not the same as SR clutches there is a surface area size difference.

And for the camshaft question

As far as I know Nismo does not sell camshaft blanks for the RB here in the U.S.. Most of the Nismo parts available for the RB in the U.S. are stuff like gaskets, water pumps,thermostats and oil pumps. Your best bet for cams for the RB are Tomei Poncams which are actually very nice cams.

There I hope this at least helps you guys some. Good luck

Chemical Whore · 12-12-2006, 01:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Lets knock all these questions down.
Series 2 coilpacks? No there is no U.S. car that I know of that ran the same thing. There could be now. I suggest you research it a little buy contacting a Nissan dealer and showing them your coilpack for a cross reference. Other than that, look to a importer for spare coilpacks, or even ebay. I have seen them pop up on ebay from time to time.

On to the clutch question

RB clutches are not the same as SR clutches there is a surface area size difference.

And for the camshaft question

As far as I know Nismo does not sell camshaft blanks for the RB here in the U.S.. Most of the Nismo parts available for the RB in the U.S. are stuff like gaskets, water pumps,thermostats and oil pumps. Your best bet for cams for the RB are Tomei Poncams which are actually very nice cams.

There I hope this at least helps you guys some. Good luck

I know you have to use a custom downpipe if you go with a Twins on a RB26 swap in a S13 but what size turbo can you go with if you do aftermarket twins?

*drift freaq* · 12-13-2006, 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chemical Whore

I know you have to use a custom downpipe if you go with a Twins on a RB26 swap in a S13 but what size turbo can you go with if you do aftermarket twins?

Thats a very random question, Truth be told a pair of GT2530's would be downright sick on a 26. It would easily push you into the 600HP range in my opinion. RB26DETT install is baller to begin with. Its not a inexpensive install. That said it can be done and has been done. I have a friend running a RB26 car, as we speak. With just the PowerFC and a boost controller he is probably close to 450hp, on a completely stock engine. Unless your building an all out drag machine, you could safely say thats as far as you need to go. Thats the sick part about doing the 26.
I will be putting out somewhere in the range of 330-340 whp on my next dyno run. I am happy with those numbers I am not shooting for higher because I want my car to be driveable. I am also not trying to build a drag car.

Chemical Whore · 12-13-2006, 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by drift freaq

Thats a very random question, Truth be told a pair of GT2530's would be downright sick on a 26. It would easily push you into the 600HP range in my opinion. RB26DETT install is baller to begin with. Its not a inexpensive install. That said it can be done and has been done. I have a friend running a RB26 car, as we speak. With just the PowerFC and a boost controller he is probably close to 450hp, on a completely stock engine. Unless your building an all out drag machine, you could safely say thats as far as you need to go. Thats the sick part about doing the 26.
I will be putting out somewhere in the range of 330-340 whp on my next dyno run. I am happy with those numbers I am not shooting for higher because I want my car to be driveable. I am also not trying to build a drag car.

Im a random person ahaha I know its not cheap. I was just wondering if its going to have issues with hood clearance etc.. if i went with a twin GT2538 type of set up.

LB.Motoring · 12-13-2006, 05:47 PM

^ there should be no clearance issues... unless you went weird on the Exh mani

hybrid_eg · 12-15-2006, 02:47 AM

hmm.. me saving up them pennies for some -Garrett 2860R-5, very similar to (HKS GT2530's) if anything its a more cost effective set up, bolts right up and should clear fine :-) it will yield an easy 500whp with the right set up and tune.. and yes that will probably be the max you want to step on the stock 26..

artizzl · 01-04-2007, 11:20 PM

wiring on a RB25Det on a 91 240 .
i was wondering do i need 2 get
custom wiring done for the wiring harness
from the motor to the car ?
cus i the RB25 with the wiringharness and ECU
couldnt i just use the RB ecu on the 240 ?
cus im lost and people tell me different things
everyday so if any one could help me out a bit .
id be happy .

BIZERK · 01-05-2007, 10:15 AM

english evades you. anyway, you use the RB ecu and wiring harness....its pretty much common sense when you really think about it. you have to use the ECU that manages/controls the motor that you are putting in.

250sx · 01-15-2007, 11:41 PM

? about all the mount kits that lower the engine, what does this do for oil pan to ground clearance. On mine i just used the r33 cross member and stock mounts moved back 1" and if the engine was much lower it would be below the crossmember.

*hashiriya13* · 01-16-2007, 08:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Chemical Whore

but what size turbo can you go with if you do aftermarket twins?

Well here is some info. (I put this 26 in a 32 type m but it will replace my 25 in the 240 when I get back) I am running the Nismo twins (14411-RS581) T04B compressor A/R 0.60 Turbine A/R 0.64 with a rom tune and only ran it at 1 bar. getting 428.9 ps on 93 octane. Not pushing the turbos yet and they fit like stock. They are good to 600 I know maybe a little more and are garret so cheap to rebuild. Well here is the chart.

And for the 20 guys for refrance My boys 20 with a 2530 at 1.2 bar put down 320ps with the rest of the motor stock with a brid ecu.

RB20 run

<--------CLICK

jobestudios · 01-17-2007, 02:20 AM

What are the diameter, thread pitch and legnth of rb20det oil lines, I didnt get any with my motorset.

*MELLO*SOS* · 01-26-2007, 11:40 AM

This didn't exist, I had the info and another guy needed it, so I made it..

A31 RB20DET Ecu wiring harness pinout with wire colors:

Please save & redistribute as needed, I don't know how long we-todd-did-racing will host the image.

*MELLO*SOS* · 01-26-2007, 11:43 AM

Also some info on Exhaust manifold studs, washers, yokes, nuts:

(qty needed)

(12) Exhaust manifold studs - 01151-00471
Courtesy told me this wasn't a valid US part number... But according to Shay @ NismoParts.com, it is valid -- but it's an Infinity part number! Ordered from Shay @ Nismoparts.com

(8) Exhaust manifold yokes - 14037-42L01
Readily available Courtesy/Nismoparts.com. 24mm outer diam for cyl 1,2,5,6

(4) Exhaust manifold yokes - 14037-42L02
Readily available Courtesy/Nismoparts.com. 22mm outer diam for cyl 3,4

(12) Exhaust manifold washers 14037-01E00
Readily available Courtesy/Nismoparts.com

(12) Exhaust manifold nuts 08912-8401A
According to Courtesy "97812-8401A" is is not a valid PN. I looked the nuts up in FAST and found a new PN, "08912-84010". Shay @ Nismoparts.com informed me that "08912-8401A" is the superseded PN. Readily available Courtesy/Nismoparts.com

These parts are all $.60 to $1.70 each, so figure roughly $1/each on average.
12 studs + 12 yokes + 12 washers + 12 nuts = 48 parts @ ~$1 ea = $50 plus shipping for a full set.

*MELLO*SOS* · 01-26-2007, 11:45 AM

Nismo makes r32/r33/r34 motor mounts for use with with oem mount brackets and x-member. For R32 2WD: PN 11220-RS585 you'll need two:

http://www.nengun.com/nismo/engine-mounts

The Nismo KA trans mount is apparently the same as the RB trans mount. I plan on re-using mine (thanks drift_freaq), if it's different for any reason I'll update the post.

Seven · 02-06-2007, 04:27 AM

I've been trying to find some dyno graphs of RB25s with a GT35R on em... Does ANYONE have such a graph??

*MELLO*SOS* · 02-06-2007, 10:36 AM

RB25 water pump on RB20 does not work properly. Check out the pictures and write up below...
Cross posted from my post on the other RB boards.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mello88

I saw a few old threads asking if an RB25 pump will fit on the RB20, but nobody really answered one way or the other... Except to say the pumps look very similar (rb25 bolt hole #1 is slotted and rb20 hole #1 isn't). Bad news for us RB20 guys -- the RB25 pump will NOT work properly. Check it out...

Blue area shows the overlap/leak area. Pink line is the edge of the water passage, yellow is the slot size and green is the bolt hole.

The slotted hole, the only visual difference in the pumps, is what causes the problem on the RB20. It will bolt up perfectly, but because of the metal removed from the pump to form the slot, part of the water passageway will be exposed! This little gap is enough to cause the RTV not to seal very well in that area, or if it does maybe seal a thin coat, it will quickly blow out.

If you look in first picture, in the the lower left corner of the slotted bolt hole (behind the bits of RTV), you'll be able to see the water passage way. The second picture shows the end of a large zip tie shoved into the gap, it's a pretty good size hole (hard to see in pics)... Anyway in both pics, the pump is aligned and hand tightened on a few bolts. From there, you cannot really adjust the pump up or to the right any more (as it would seem to improve sealing by the slot). This may just be a case of slight variances in the block casting, but I think there is a reason RB25/RB26 use the slotted hole and RB20 doesn't. I think the RB25 has a slightly different casting on the block under and to the left of the #1 bolt hole.

The RB20 pump of course has a single non slotted bolt hole, which does a much better job of sealing off the passageway, and provides more metal to metal surface area for the RTV to seal:

I pressure tested my cooling system the other day and found a huge leak out of the slotted bolt hole before I knew about this issue.. Ok, I figured I must have missed an area with the RTV, so I removed the crank pulley, timing covers, timing belt, etc to re-install the pump. I took extra care to evenly cover all of the pump's mating surface with RTV this time around. After hand-tightening the bolts on the pump and letting the new RTV cure, I torqued the pump bolts down the rest of the way. Next I pressure tested the cooling system again, this time to 2 bar. It held briefly but quickly blew a hole in the RTV in exactly the same place in the slotted bolt hole as last time! It actually blew out some RTV I squished into the back left corner of the slotted bolt hole (to help cover the gap)... Which means it wasn't sealed from the back (block side) at all. I'd rather have it blow out on the engine stand than on the freeway....

Your mileage may vary, but as far as I can see the RB25 pump is not a viable option for the RB20. Does the N1 water pump have the slotted hole? Did anyone else catch this sealing problem on their RB20? Also If someone has a picture of their RB25 block without the water pump, I would like to see if there are any differences under and to the left of the #1 bolt hole:

annie4rb20 · 02-07-2007, 11:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Seven

I've been trying to find some dyno graphs of RB25s with a GT35R on em... Does ANYONE have such a graph??

These are links I've found especially helpful

RB20 Turbo Upgrade, Dyno Results

The one you want to look around in:

RB25 Turbo Upgrade, Dyno Results

And for the surprisingly less rare RB26 people

RB26 Turbo Upgrade, Dyno Results

Gotta love the Aussies... Hope it helps.

Seven · 02-08-2007, 06:16 AM

Thanks

I'll take a look and see.

*wangan_cruiser* · 02-15-2007, 03:12 AM

can you use the ka24de koyo radiator for rb25?

Yellow4g63 · 02-15-2007, 04:01 AM

Yes you can.

kouki_s14 · 02-20-2007, 10:52 AM

in case anyone was wondering, i got 13mpg

on the race track yesterday @ 10 psi

*bardabe* · 02-20-2007, 06:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kouki_s14

in case anyone was wondering, i got 13mpg

on the race track yesterday @ 10 psi

LOL that;s not bad at all I got 8MPG at 12PSI on my SR..... still waiting ont he results fromn the RB. I got the GOld top so it came with a ball bearing T28. =] not limited to 12PSI like most folks. we'll see my results. hopefully withing the next 2 months.

need4speed069 · 02-20-2007, 08:19 PM

Can anyone tell me how to tell the difference between an RB25DET SERIES l AND SERIES ll, THANKS!!!!!!!!

BIZERK · 02-20-2007, 11:13 PM

rb25det series one uses an ignitor pack/chip and a series two has the ignitor built into the coils. thats is the most noticeable difference, the MAFS are different too i believe.

12-04-2006, 02:26 PM	#123
newblood Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: reche canyon,ca Age: 21 Posts: 318 Trader Rating: (1)	i have a 1990 240sx and i want to go rb20....what will i need to install it...does it bolt up,does it not,...what parts do i need __________________ street drifter 9000!

12-08-2006, 10:02 PM	#127
drift freaq Hey, that's my Passport, Aya ! Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Hollywoooood! Posts: 12,189 Trader Rating: (67) Rides Gallery: drift freaq	Lets knock all these questions down. Series 2 coilpacks? No there is no U.S. car that I know of that ran the same thing. There could be now. I suggest you research it a little buy contacting a Nissan dealer and showing them your coilpack for a cross reference. Other than that, look to a importer for spare coilpacks, or even ebay. I have seen them pop up on ebay from time to time. On to the clutch question RB clutches are not the same as SR clutches there is a surface area size difference. And for the camshaft question As far as I know Nismo does not sell camshaft blanks for the RB here in the U.S.. Most of the Nismo parts available for the RB in the U.S. are stuff like gaskets, water pumps,thermostats and oil pumps. Your best bet for cams for the RB are Tomei Poncams which are actually very nice cams. There I hope this at least helps you guys some. Good luck __________________ 1991 Azzurro California Metallic S13.5 VQ35HR project in the works! 1993.5 INFINITI G20 86k Current Daily(Gas Saver) FS:http://zilvia.net/f/sale-items/27547...ne-mounts.html http://www.autoilluminati.com

12-13-2006, 05:47 PM	#131
LB.Motoring Post Whore! Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: SòCal♥ Cali, U.K =/==> www.myspace.com/myspacerobby Age: 23 Posts: 5,712 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: LB.Motoring	^ there should be no clearance issues... unless you went weird on the Exh mani __________________ Robby Leuer

01-26-2007, 11:40 AM	#138
MELLOSOS* LAID OUT Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: LAS VEGAS Age: 28 Posts: 1,992 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: MELLO*SOS	This didn't exist, I had the info and another guy needed it, so I made it.. A31 RB20DET Ecu wiring harness pinout with wire colors: Please save & redistribute as needed, I don't know how long we-todd-did-racing will host the image. __________________ S13 and S14 and LS400 owner Check out my VIP blog

01-26-2007, 11:43 AM	#139
MELLOSOS* LAID OUT Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: LAS VEGAS Age: 28 Posts: 1,992 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: MELLO*SOS	Also some info on Exhaust manifold studs, washers, yokes, nuts: (qty needed) (12) Exhaust manifold studs - 01151-00471 Courtesy told me this wasn't a valid US part number... But according to Shay @ NismoParts.com, it is valid -- but it's an Infinity part number! Ordered from Shay @ Nismoparts.com (8) Exhaust manifold yokes - 14037-42L01 Readily available Courtesy/Nismoparts.com. 24mm outer diam for cyl 1,2,5,6 (4) Exhaust manifold yokes - 14037-42L02 Readily available Courtesy/Nismoparts.com. 22mm outer diam for cyl 3,4 (12) Exhaust manifold washers 14037-01E00 Readily available Courtesy/Nismoparts.com (12) Exhaust manifold nuts 08912-8401A According to Courtesy "97812-8401A" is is not a valid PN. I looked the nuts up in FAST and found a new PN, "08912-84010". Shay @ Nismoparts.com informed me that "08912-8401A" is the superseded PN. Readily available Courtesy/Nismoparts.com These parts are all $.60 to $1.70 each, so figure roughly $1/each on average. 12 studs + 12 yokes + 12 washers + 12 nuts = 48 parts @ ~$1 ea = $50 plus shipping for a full set. __________________ S13 and S14 and LS400 owner Check out my VIP blog

11-29-2006, 09:04 PM	#121
ECR33S14 Leaky Injector Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: south kackalaki Posts: 131 Trader Rating: (0)	hey guys ive got a 95 S14 with a series 2 rb25det swap and my number 3 coil pack is bad. is there anything stateside with the same style coil pack i can use. i cant find anything that will work. and i also cant find series 2 rb25 or rb26 stock packs for sale. i really dont want to go aftermarket yet any information will be greatly appreciated.

12-04-2006, 03:18 AM	#122
drifts135 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Baltimore Posts: 589 Trader Rating: (0)	Im by no means "new" to RBs, and have owned several RB powered vehicles, but I need a clutch NOW. I have installed two clutches in all of my time owning these cars, both clutches were bought for a 300zx NA 90-up. They both fit fine on my RB20s. I cannot find a reasonabley priced clutch to fit the horsepower needs of my current RB20. (only a statement) I have seen a couple of companies (seemingly reputable companies) selling clutches and stating that a particular kit of theirs is for a SR20 or a RB20.... My question is, has anyone sat a rb20 clutch and p plate next to that of an sr20? Are they the same? WILL THE SR CLUTCH WORK TOO??????????? Seems too good to be true, any info? Ps. I searched, but nothing crazy...10min at most.

12-06-2006, 10:47 PM	#125
Chemical Whore Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: San Diego Age: 29 Posts: 20 Trader Rating: (0)	Any know if nismo sells camshaft blanks for the RB25DET?

12-08-2006, 09:03 PM	#126
drifts135 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Baltimore Posts: 589 Trader Rating: (0)	anyone got a clue on the sr/rb clutch thing?????

12-15-2006, 02:47 AM	#132
hybrid_eg Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: SoCal Posts: 585 Trader Rating: (8)	hmm.. me saving up them pennies for some -Garrett 2860R-5, very similar to (HKS GT2530's) if anything its a more cost effective set up, bolts right up and should clear fine :-) it will yield an easy 500whp with the right set up and tune.. and yes that will probably be the max you want to step on the stock 26..

01-04-2007, 11:20 PM	#133
artizzl Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: las vegas Posts: 8 Trader Rating: (0)	wiring on a RB25Det on a 91 240 . i was wondering do i need 2 get custom wiring done for the wiring harness from the motor to the car ? cus i the RB25 with the wiringharness and ECU couldnt i just use the RB ecu on the 240 ? cus im lost and people tell me different things everyday so if any one could help me out a bit . id be happy .

01-05-2007, 10:15 AM	#134
BIZERK Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Kuttawa, KY ... Huntsville, AL Age: 24 Posts: 75 Trader Rating: (0)	english evades you. anyway, you use the RB ecu and wiring harness....its pretty much common sense when you really think about it. you have to use the ECU that manages/controls the motor that you are putting in.

01-15-2007, 11:41 PM	#135
250sx Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: H-Town Age: 22 Posts: 2 Trader Rating: (0)	? about all the mount kits that lower the engine, what does this do for oil pan to ground clearance. On mine i just used the r33 cross member and stock mounts moved back 1" and if the engine was much lower it would be below the crossmember.

01-17-2007, 02:20 AM	#137
jobestudios Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Bellingham Posts: 351 Trader Rating: (1)	What are the diameter, thread pitch and legnth of rb20det oil lines, I didnt get any with my motorset.

01-26-2007, 11:45 AM	#140
MELLOSOS* LAID OUT Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: LAS VEGAS Age: 28 Posts: 1,992 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: MELLO*SOS	Nismo makes r32/r33/r34 motor mounts for use with with oem mount brackets and x-member. For R32 2WD: PN 11220-RS585 you'll need two: http://www.nengun.com/nismo/engine-mounts The Nismo KA trans mount is apparently the same as the RB trans mount. I plan on re-using mine (thanks drift_freaq), if it's different for any reason I'll update the post. __________________ S13 and S14 and LS400 owner Check out my VIP blog

02-06-2007, 04:27 AM	#141
Seven Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Allentown, PA Age: 25 Posts: 175 Trader Rating: (0)	I've been trying to find some dyno graphs of RB25s with a GT35R on em... Does ANYONE have such a graph??

02-08-2007, 06:16 AM	#144
Seven Zilvia Member Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Allentown, PA Age: 25 Posts: 175 Trader Rating: (0)	Thanks I'll take a look and see.

02-15-2007, 03:12 AM	#145
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02-15-2007, 04:01 AM	#146
Yellow4g63 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Moreno Valley, Ca Age: 33 Posts: 341 Trader Rating: (0)	Yes you can. __________________ protech-fabrication.com ftw!!

02-20-2007, 10:52 AM	#147
kouki_s14 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 1,560 Trader Rating: (0)	in case anyone was wondering, i got 13mpg on the race track yesterday @ 10 psi __________________ I'm amazed at how many people are idiots.

02-20-2007, 08:19 PM	#149
need4speed069 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: lakeport Posts: 12 Trader Rating: (0)	Can anyone tell me how to tell the difference between an RB25DET SERIES l AND SERIES ll, THANKS!!!!!!!!

02-20-2007, 11:13 PM	#150
BIZERK Leaky Injector Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Kuttawa, KY ... Huntsville, AL Age: 24 Posts: 75 Trader Rating: (0)	rb25det series one uses an ignitor pack/chip and a series two has the ignitor built into the coils. thats is the most noticeable difference, the MAFS are different too i believe.

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