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*johngriff* · 06-10-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by DALAZ_68

so is the APC commander, last i remember it was sold seperatly...

johngriff : like i said, im ''calling you out'' in a sense, if u want first hand experience you more than welcome to come to my pad and tinker wiht my Nistune ECU...

all i know is id prefer my 17'' screen for tuning than a 2''x2'' green screen

not to mention, Nistune is and has been working on going Mafless for a while... i havent yet gotten to hit up Matt( i believe is his name) in a while, but thats somethign to look foward to

Haha ok.

I called your shop. You weren't there. I left a message and my cell.

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Originally Posted by ROIDMONKEY

WTF!!! LOL where in fl are u first able ?
i heard i heard there is a guy in orlando that does PFC well. i heard!!!
cause a tuner doesnt like to tune PFC(offcourse they know how to britney) doesn't make him a retard LOL its cause they think it SUCK yes they do.. if u from down here broward FTL im sure u heard the name Lance ., hes one of the best tuners down here. so dont talk shit ..

No, really, if a "tuner" can't tune a PFC they are a retard.

The AEM software is an absolute cluster F*&%.

He said he would not tune it b/c AEM pressures their dealers big time to sell and tune only AEM's once they have become a dealer, and that is probably why he sold it to you.

Obviously I have been a big supporter of Haltech for years, but that is because of the hands on work our two companies have had in developing products.

In the years I have sold haltech's, I have NEVER had a defect haltech product. Every time there has been an issue it has been user error...a hacked up engine harness, not knowing how to use windows... on and on.

On the other hand. I have seen a ton of cooked chipped ecu's and pfc's over the years.

And replace my CAS wheel just to get an INACCURATE timing signal, no thanks AEM, I'll stick with my haltech that has better cas resolution than the stock ecu.

All this and I don't even have the site configured to sell haltech right now.

Map conversion ecu's (like pfc) are a nightmare. Just stay away. If the delivery is still based on VE and you are using a lookup Voltage table to convert to VE, you are asking for nothing but trouble. If I was Nistune, I would stick with the MAF setups, instead of releasing unreliable MAP setups.

*DALAZ_68* · 06-10-2009, 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by smelly240

Matt @ nistune is quite prompt if a bug occurs - and he is very good with his customers.

thats one of the main reason i swung my penis towards NIStune, costumer service is epic

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Originally Posted by slider2828

What viewer do you speak of? Hell if I am going to be carrying a laptop in my computer while on the track...

thats, um, why to take the laptop out of the car...be4 u go to the track

*DALAZ_68* · 06-10-2009, 03:05 PM

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Originally Posted by johngriff

Haha ok.

I called your shop. You weren't there. I left a message and my cell.

that not my shop...Chris Jensen is the local Nistune Tuner, he's one of the phew who is giving this system a try...Steve Shadows also wants to give it a swing with my car...pretty much i have 2 options already of were to take my car...

*johngriff* · 06-10-2009, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by DALAZ_68

that not my shop...Chris Jensen is the local Nistune Tuner, he's one of the phew who is giving this system a try...Steve Shadows also wants to give it a swing with my car...pretty much i have 2 options already of were to take my car...

Hahaha... ok. They are probably confused as hell now.

I just got off the phone with Chris, really nice guy.

Like I said, I am not against nistune, I just have no hands on experience.

What puts me off is paying for a soft license, wide distribution of software sells hardware. Hands down.

Take it to steve, he will tell me all about it..

*smelly240* · 06-10-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by slider2828

What viewer do you speak of? Hell if I am going to be carrying a laptop in my computer while on the track...

this things been around a while.

http://www.ecutalk.com/consultlcd.aspx

*slider2828* · 06-10-2009, 03:48 PM

That is still around $180 and add shipping.... Its a very small screen and is nearly unreadable or changeable in what I want to display... but whatever to each their own.

pinkarrowsnow · 06-10-2009, 03:49 PM

Id love to go aem or haltech but money wasnt there when i did my build check out calum rt its growing fast and just in the few months ive had mine you can see how its growing to something bigger and very good and easy to use.

*DALAZ_68* · 06-10-2009, 03:53 PM

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Originally Posted by johngriff

Like I said, I am not against nistune, I just have no hands on experience.

offer stands as long as ur intrested...mind you itll be on a CA18...im telling yah im in a league of my own...running a CA on Nistune...lol

*johngriff* · 06-10-2009, 04:28 PM

You obviously didn't know I am an underground CA master.

*DALAZ_68* · 06-10-2009, 04:31 PM

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Originally Posted by johngriff

You obviously didn't know I am an underground CA master.

then ull be familliar with what ur working with then...even better...

slideways2004 · 06-10-2009, 06:19 PM

i like this thread. lots of useful information from lots of different viewpoints

kalypso123 · 06-10-2009, 07:40 PM

me too.

no ones has brought up mega squirt II, but im so out of touch with engine tuning that mentioning it might offend someone.

*Dousan_PG* · 06-10-2009, 09:24 PM

i like the pfc
super easyto get tuned by many shops
good support
and works great
im sure nistune is ok but pfc is proven so many times over as being a good setup, i wouldnt waste time otherwise

always comes down to budget

aNskY · 06-10-2009, 10:17 PM

discounting data logit is stupid. who cares that it wasnt released by apex. they missed the boat!

fc edit is just as good as aem, and easier to use!

*DALAZ_68* · 06-10-2009, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by kalypso123

me too.

no ones has brought up mega squirt II, but im so out of touch with engine tuning that mentioning it might offend someone.

actually i did, and what about it?

its a great system if u have the resources to know how to build the box, have patience to find all the ford parts needed and also pay for the crank wheel to be mad and a mount for the sensor...all in all u still end up paying roughly 600+ for it all

*ROIDMONKEY* · 06-10-2009, 11:01 PM

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Originally Posted by johngriff

Haha ok.

I called your shop. You weren't there. I left a message and my cell.

No, really, if a "tuner" can't tune a PFC they are a retard.

The AEM software is an absolute cluster F*&%.

He said he would not tune it b/c AEM pressures their dealers big time to sell and tune only AEM's once they have become a dealer, and that is probably why he sold it to you.

Obviously I have been a big supporter of Haltech for years, but that is because of the hands on work our two companies have had in developing products.

In the years I have sold haltech's, I have NEVER had a defect haltech product. Every time there has been an issue it has been user error...a hacked up engine harness, not knowing how to use windows... on and on.

On the other hand. I have seen a ton of cooked chipped ecu's and pfc's over the years.

And replace my CAS wheel just to get an INACCURATE timing signal, no thanks AEM, I'll stick with my haltech that has better cas resolution than the stock ecu.

All this and I don't even have the site configured to sell haltech right now.

Map conversion ecu's (like pfc) are a nightmare. Just stay away. If the delivery is still based on VE and you are using a lookup Voltage table to convert to VE, you are asking for nothing but trouble. If I was Nistune, I would stick with the MAF setups, instead of releasing unreliable MAP setups.

Oh god.... who that Fuck said the guy sold it to me? LOL u talking to much crap bro... again he doesn't like to tune PFC ... leave the PFC for CA .. FL likes AEM EMS and haltech and some other european brand i forgot....

kalypso123 · 06-10-2009, 11:56 PM

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Originally Posted by DALAZ_68

actually i did, and what about it?

its a great system if u have the resources to know how to build the box, have patience to find all the ford parts needed and also pay for the crank wheel to be made and a mount for the sensor...all in all u still end up paying roughly 600+ for it all

thank you

i didnt know about the crank wheel...? and price of it.

what do you mean by crank wheel, is it related to the CAS?

*smelly240* · 06-11-2009, 08:26 AM

you guys know megasquirt can read the sr cas (and any other nissan cas) natively - right?

and it supports COP with msextra -

so no you dont need a crank wheel, and no you dont need to source ford eids parts.

if u want any info on this - please ask me - i have experience with ms2.

*DALAZ_68* · 06-11-2009, 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by ROIDMONKEY

Oh god.... who that Fuck said the guy sold it to me? LOL u talking to much crap bro... again he doesn't like to tune PFC ... leave the PFC for CA .. FL likes AEM EMS and haltech and some other european brand i forgot....

stop cryin, ur making FL look like a bitch...

i have to agree with what he says though, AEM does try to push there products harder on legit shops

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Originally Posted by kalypso123

thank you

i didnt know about the crank wheel...? and price of it.

what do you mean by crank wheel, is it related to the CAS?

i honestly have no clue how much it would cost, i was gonna get charged 25 bucks by a coworkers cuzin who CNC's all day long, but that was about a year or so ago.

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Originally Posted by smelly240

you guys know megasquirt can read the sr cas (and any other nissan cas) natively - right?

and it supports COP with msextra -

so no you dont need a crank wheel, and no you dont need to source ford eids parts.

if u want any info on this - please ask me - i have experience with ms2.

i have no clue about SR's, as far as CA's go, last i checked (which again was about a year or so ago) MS2 required a tooth'ed out crank wheel and sensor...

*smelly240* · 06-11-2009, 10:19 AM

If the ca cas is of the same type as the ka and sr ones - you can use it with mse.

*DALAZ_68* · 06-11-2009, 10:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smelly240

If the ca cas is of the same type as the ka and sr ones - you can use it with mse.

Fuck if i know, like i said its been a year since ive looked into it...

but my answer would be yes its different since the CA is pre KA and Pre SR...but im unsure

Tensor187x · 06-11-2009, 10:28 AM

So let me ask this about a PowerFC.

Say i purchase the PowerFC and receive the ECU, will i be able to slap it on and still drive my car normally, or is it a must to get it put it on and have it tuned right away?

With Nistune, i can send my ECU out and the only thing that will change with my ECU is that it will now have a daughter board in it. I'll still be able to hook it back up in my car just like normal and it will still have the normal base map on there....

SilviaSR20DET · 06-11-2009, 10:57 AM

basically, if you want to save money get the nistune unless you want to make 700hp+ than go with the power fc. Nistune can do pretty much anything you can throw at it based on my experience with it. Its fairly easy to use for a beginner tuner. I mean think about the cost of tuning, nistune plus professional tune 800 where as power fc 1300. Both can achieve the kinda hp you realistically need out of an sr20

Tensor187x · 06-11-2009, 07:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SilviaSR20DET

basically, if you want to save money get the nistune unless you want to make 700hp+ than go with the power fc. Nistune can do pretty much anything you can throw at it based on my experience with it. Its fairly easy to use for a beginner tuner. I mean think about the cost of tuning, nistune plus professional tune 800 where as power fc 1300. Both can achieve the kinda hp you realistically need out of an sr20

Couldn't have said it any better.

*johngriff* · 06-11-2009, 09:43 PM

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Originally Posted by SilviaSR20DET

basically, if you want to save money get the nistune unless you want to make 700hp+ than go with the power fc. Nistune can do pretty much anything you can throw at it based on my experience with it. Its fairly easy to use for a beginner tuner. I mean think about the cost of tuning, nistune plus professional tune 800 where as power fc 1300. Both can achieve the kinda hp you realistically need out of an sr20

Couldn't have said it more wrong.

I have to run, but I will tear this discussion apart tomorrow.

steve shadows · 06-12-2009, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Tensor187x

I'm not limited to $1000, I'm saying i think $1000 is outrageous to pay for an ECU. If there are enough cons about it than I'll consider getting a PowerFC.

Power FC can be had new for as little at 825 bucks from most site now

and D Jetro can be had for about 915 bucks

both units are great

and the only apexi ever did right IMO (lol)

Tomei Rytehc is also a good unit which does not get enough creidt

but the new Haltech is indeed amazing, I will surely be using them on my next project car (probably slated for 2011) after I pick up another Nissan.

steve shadows · 06-12-2009, 02:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smelly240

you guys know megasquirt can read the sr cas (and any other nissan cas) natively - right?

and it supports COP with msextra -

so no you dont need a crank wheel, and no you dont need to source ford eids parts.

if u want any info on this - please ask me - i have experience with ms2.

This is also true of Haltech (and has always been true of haltechs forever)

THe AEM is the only unit that was rushed to market and mass produced and then had issues with the Nissan CAS. it's really kind of grating as a tuner.

Kind of tells you that in the end you are buying your EMS from an AIR intake company who took one ECM and multi-produced and rushed to market for one thing: to make money , because all the kids who wre buying intakes back in the day had finally gotten older and serious and were in the market for a ECU so they wanted to have one ready to roll...

This market branding crap has got to stop, although the AEM sort of fixed the issue, I think their unit is overly done and over the top with the layout and 50,000 keys and buttons in the tuning screens also all the exploding screens when you open stuff to tune the car just makes thing more complicated and seems like the ECU is trying to make you (the tuner) look more badass than you really are (with all the thousands of little hash marks and guages and readouts) even when I don't need them when I am tuning a car.

It gets the job done, but in a sort of overdone SVT Crown Victoria sort of way.

The Haltec is more of an EVO 8 with slicks , you know what it is and you know what it can do and you take it step by step

The power FC is a BMW 135I on treadwear 200 tires. Refined, clean and efficient and straight forward as long as you have ownership of one of the crazy interfaces to unlock the crazy coding/japanese or german that everything is written in...

water · 06-12-2009, 07:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ROIDMONKEY

WTF!!! LOL where in fl are u first able ?
i heard i heard there is a guy in orlando that does PFC well. i heard!!!
cause a tuner doesnt like to tune PFC(offcourse they know how to britney) doesn't make him a retard LOL its cause they think it SUCK yes they do.. if u from down here broward FTL im sure u heard the name Lance ., hes one of the best tuners down here. so dont talk shit ..

Im not talking shit. You and whatever tuner found difficulty in tuning a PFC obviously have problems. Anyone who's owned one or worked with one can vouch that there is no mystery to them. Maybe they were too lazy to figure out the menus on the commander. Wouldn't surprise me b/c it can be a PITA but its NOT hard AT ALL.

*DALAZ_68* · 06-12-2009, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by johngriff

Couldn't have said it more wrong.

I have to run, but I will tear this discussion apart tomorrow.

JERRY JERRY JERRY WOOT WOOT WOOT...

aa87 · 06-12-2009, 09:46 AM

Throw that megan Fpr in the trash.

06-10-2009, 03:48 PM	#36
slider2828 Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 3,457 Trader Rating: (8)	That is still around $180 and add shipping.... Its a very small screen and is nearly unreadable or changeable in what I want to display... but whatever to each their own. __________________ Turn and Burn!

06-10-2009, 03:49 PM	#37
pinkarrowsnow Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: NJ Posts: 416 Trader Rating: (2)	Id love to go aem or haltech but money wasnt there when i did my build check out calum rt its growing fast and just in the few months ive had mine you can see how its growing to something bigger and very good and easy to use. __________________ ka-t built/garrett/TiAL/poweredbymax/rs*r

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06-10-2009, 07:40 PM	#42
kalypso123 Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Flushing, Queens Posts: 526 Trader Rating: (0)	me too. no ones has brought up mega squirt II, but im so out of touch with engine tuning that mentioning it might offend someone. __________________

06-10-2009, 09:24 PM	#43
Dousan_PG Pink GodziRa Join Date: May 2002 Location: Orange County, California Age: 30 Posts: 16,322 Trader Rating: (10) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG	i like the pfc super easyto get tuned by many shops good support and works great im sure nistune is ok but pfc is proven so many times over as being a good setup, i wouldnt waste time otherwise always comes down to budget __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa www.geocities.com/pink_godzira

06-10-2009, 06:19 PM	#41
slideways2004 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Houston Posts: 1,204 Trader Rating: (1)	i like this thread. lots of useful information from lots of different viewpoints

06-10-2009, 10:17 PM	#44
aNskY Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: NY Age: 25 Posts: 1,495 Trader Rating: (8)	discounting data logit is stupid. who cares that it wasnt released by apex. they missed the boat! fc edit is just as good as aem, and easier to use!

06-11-2009, 08:26 AM	#48
smelly240 I'm old enough to be ur daddy Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Philaburbia Age: 32 Posts: 1,933 Trader Rating: (3)	you guys know megasquirt can read the sr cas (and any other nissan cas) natively - right? and it supports COP with msextra - so no you dont need a crank wheel, and no you dont need to source ford eids parts. if u want any info on this - please ask me - i have experience with ms2. __________________ MY FARTS STILL SMELL LIKE C16

06-11-2009, 10:19 AM	#50
smelly240 I'm old enough to be ur daddy Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Philaburbia Age: 32 Posts: 1,933 Trader Rating: (3)	If the ca cas is of the same type as the ka and sr ones - you can use it with mse. __________________ MY FARTS STILL SMELL LIKE C16

06-11-2009, 10:28 AM	#52
Tensor187x BANNED Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: OC Age: 22 Posts: 180 Trader Rating: (1)	So let me ask this about a PowerFC. Say i purchase the PowerFC and receive the ECU, will i be able to slap it on and still drive my car normally, or is it a must to get it put it on and have it tuned right away? With Nistune, i can send my ECU out and the only thing that will change with my ECU is that it will now have a daughter board in it. I'll still be able to hook it back up in my car just like normal and it will still have the normal base map on there....

06-11-2009, 10:57 AM	#53
SilviaSR20DET Zilvia Addict Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Renton, WA Posts: 915 Trader Rating: (1)	basically, if you want to save money get the nistune unless you want to make 700hp+ than go with the power fc. Nistune can do pretty much anything you can throw at it based on my experience with it. Its fairly easy to use for a beginner tuner. I mean think about the cost of tuning, nistune plus professional tune 800 where as power fc 1300. Both can achieve the kinda hp you realistically need out of an sr20

06-12-2009, 09:46 AM	#60
aa87 Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: May 2003 Location: Shreveport, LA Age: 21 Posts: 1,037 Trader Rating: (0)	Throw that megan Fpr in the trash. __________________ Hookers and blow.

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