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*240sxdriftin* · 02-12-2009, 05:24 PM

i hate to say it, but with the styling of new cars coming out and everyone trying to make them futuristic, i'm pretty sure this car will be hideous and nothing like the s chassis that we all know and love....and i'd be willing to bet that it will not be anywhere near as easy to work on as the current s chassis, just because its a newer car and everything is computers and safety...

i would love to see nissan come out with a reasobly priced 4cyl turbo rwd sports car, but the chances are slim

but if they do and it is actually a good car, i would buy one

dorkidori_s13 · 02-12-2009, 05:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VROOOM

you know if you really want RWD you can get new Mustangs for dirt cheap now.

oh wow...thats like bringing a knife to a gun fight

xdarkrune · 02-12-2009, 05:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

from the amount of ignorance nissan seems to hold about the S Chassis community (as in...they dont really seem to have an idea of what kind of foothold we have in the motorsports and import racing world...and how many of us are now MUCH older and are able to afford a new itteration of our favorite car)

i'm sure nissan understands how much importance the s chasis has.

which is not much at all.

the z and the skyline gt-r's have always been nissans top sports cars.
the s chassis was an entry level sport coupe. which died off with the s15.
obviously demand was low and there was no reason to keep this car around in a market that is already over-saturated with cars. so they axed it. the economy is in the shitter, and not many people will drop 25k on a new rwd turbo nissan, when they can get something else thats BETTER for less. pontiac gto's go for about 13-16k used, 6.0 400hp. evos, stis, 350z, there are alot of cheap performance cars out right now, import or otherwise. really is no point in bringing out something that wont sell well. yes, you will have a few die hard people (like yourself) that want. but there is reallyno market for it.

yes i love my s chassis, more than anything. but i dont need a brand spankin new one. it would be nice, but i already have a "fun" car. once you get to a certain age/stage/place in life, you need a more practical car. something to tow my car to the track with. something to put the kids with. someone that i can drive safely in the ran with. something that wont get my pulled over. something that doesnt get every ricer on the planet to try and race me. there is no market for this car right now, and probably wont be for a long time.

fact is, 80% of the people who are interested in 240sx and drive 240sx, are doing so becuase of its recent surge of popularity. be it from drifting, initial d, more coverage in the import mags, or whatever. if the "240sx trend" never came around, no one would give 2 shits about these cars. civics and integras used to be the "cool" car to have. now its 240sx. in a few years (hopefully sooner than later) they'll be another "it" car in the import scene. it jsut doesnt make sense business-wise for nissan to release another new sports car. a base model 370z is still pretty damn cheap. adn you can get a 350z for a little more than 10k these days.

dorkidori_s13 · 02-12-2009, 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by xdarkrune

the z and the skyline gt-r's have always been nissans top sports cars.
the s chassis was an entry level sport coupe. which died off with the s15.
obviously demand was low and there was no reason to keep this car around in a market that is already over-saturated with cars. so they axed it.

you couldnt be more wrong with that statement...the silvia was a HUGE contender in the markets it was available in with the proper engines (not the KA24 which was garbage)...the silvia sold more cars than the Skyline and Z combined...regardless of Js, Qs, Ks, X, A, R, or M models...the cars sold like crazy during their life spans (need i remind you that the 180sx hatchback had an 11 year production run???)...not that they outsold the regular bread and butter sedans...but in comparison to the Skyline and Z...it was a winner

the reason the Silvia was axed (along with the Z and the Skyline and about 10-15 other vehicles in nissans late 90s/early 2000s lineup) was due to nissan almost going BANKRUPT!!!! oi...carlos ghosn saw an opportunity to take hold of nissan...renault bought 45% of nissans shares...ghosn was appointed nissan CEO...he axed pretty much any and all un-neccesary cars...and kept the little round badge with a square brand alive...if u do some research...ull find that the 350z had been remodeled 3-4 times before it was allowed to even be shown at auto shows as a concept...but im not gonna get into the nitty gritty details

what it basically boils down to was that nissan was in the hole...they were 2 days away from the closing the doors due to bankruptcy...renault and carlos ghosn took the company and made it profitable again (he has been praised by business professionals all over the world for what hes done with the company in such a short time span)

the silvia was never axed due to poor sales or because it was outweighed by a bigger badder sports car...the last silvia rolled off the production floor in october of 2002...the last skyline GTR rolled off the production floor in november of 2002...so keep that in mind

WILDACEX187 · 02-12-2009, 06:17 PM

^^^ well said

Akiros · 02-12-2009, 07:00 PM

I have finally reached a point in my life to where I can afford a car payment. I would really like a NEW car for peace of mind, and especially one that is bang for the buck(as opposed to a 100k mile 03 350z). I'm tired of waiting, so a Genesis Coupe sounds NICE. 22k, nice interior, 6spd, 2.0L Turbo).

IMO nissan should go with a scion-esque crowd approach and still keeping the young adult and other crowds in mind and offer different trim levels such as:

Based out - mr20de, 150ishhp, RWD, cheaper trans, great gas mileage, will be popular on TV because of drift/tuner shows, etc (let's face it, if its RWD and lightweight, it will be shown in contrast to other manufacturer's entry level RWD sport coupes)
something with a price of around $17,000

SE Version - vq25de?/slightly powerful, 6spd, leather?, nice sound system, nicer wheels ,sport suspension, maybe 220hp - $21,000

K's/SE-R/nismo package - vq35de / vq25det / more powerful motor / brembos, 19's, 300hp - $25-26000

*racepar1* · 02-12-2009, 07:10 PM

I am afraid that the styling of the supposed 240sx replacement will not be to my liking. The styling on most "modern" cars is just too bubbly for me. While nissan did absolutely nail the overall body lines on the 370z there are a fair amount of details to the styling on that car that are straight up whack IMO. I am afraid that it will come out looking like a cross between an altima coupe and a 370z. If nissan truly does want to pursue this car they need to take some styling cues from the s-13, s-14, and s-15. Each car has it's own sexy appeal, but each also is lacking in styling in one way or another. If nissan took all the strong points of the 3 main s-chasis cars that are already out there and blended them carefully they could have a quite good looking car. Unfortuanetly they won't do that and the car will come out looking like an altima/370 mutt.

BustedS13 · 02-12-2009, 07:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

oh wow...thats like bringing a knife to a gun fight

it's more like bringing a cool car to a retard fight

WILDACEX187 · 02-12-2009, 07:44 PM

mustangs are cool?

s0apgun · 02-12-2009, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

(need i remind you that the 180sx hatchback had an 11 year production run???)

pretty sure it was 9 years

1989-1998

BustedS13 · 02-12-2009, 08:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WILDACEX187

mustangs are cool?

yes, yes they are

specifically:

-new edge GT (dirt cheap)
-new edge Bullitt (rad)
-new edge Cobra (03-04 preferably)
-new edge Mach 1
-any fifth gen, GT or greater

any of these cars are cooler than a 240sx

*racepar1* · 02-12-2009, 08:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BustedS13

yes, yes they are

specifically:

-new edge GT (dirt cheap)
-new edge Bullitt (rad)
-new edge Cobra (03-04 preferably)
-new edge Mach 1
-any fifth gen, GT or greater

any of these cars are cooler than a 240sx

Ummmmm, I would rather shoot myself then buy a mustang. Some of the special models had an actual REAL rear suspension set-up, but the VAST majority of them have the dinosaur solid rear axle. If I am going to buy a car with a dinosaur solid rear axle I'll buy an ae86, which I already own one of. At least I could build a formula atlantic motor on the cheap for it using some of my dad's spare parts. Mustangs are for housewives that need to "spice" up their drab existence, college girls, or old farts in their mid life crisis. Sorry but it's the truth. I could drive an old shelby, a fox-body 5.0 LX, or a cobra-r, but that's about it. Besides the new mustangs are ugly as fuck.

BustedS13 · 02-12-2009, 08:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by racepar1

Ummmmm, I would rather shoot myself then buy a mustang. Some of the special models had an actual REAL rear suspension set-up, but the VAST majority of them have the dinosaur solid rear axle. If I am going to buy a car with a dinosaur solid rear axle I'll buy an ae86, which I already own one of. At least I could build a formula atlantic motor on the cheap for it using some of my dad's spare parts. Mustangs are for housewives that need to "spice" up their drab existence, college girls, or old farts in their mid life crisis. Sorry but it's the truth. I could drive an old shelby, a fox-body 5.0 LX, or a cobra-r, but that's about it. Besides the new mustangs are ugly as fuck.

oh okay
you don't have to buy a mustang i guess

steve shadows · 02-12-2009, 08:35 PM

The S Chassis will go the way of the 510

Matej · 02-12-2009, 10:01 PM

If the S-chassis successor was supposed to be anywhere close to resembling the prototypes or a 350/370Z, I am glad they axed it.

And Mustangs are hideous, especially the new retro ones. They are so huge that whenever I see one, my eyes cannot comprehend it as one car in its entirety, and then it just comes out as a blob in my mind.

Rapier46 · 02-12-2009, 10:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by VROOOM

you know if you really want RWD you can get new Mustangs for dirt cheap now.

lol domestics

Akiros · 02-12-2009, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rapier46

lol domestics

lol ya ever1 noz that all domesic sucks. haha

s0apgun · 02-12-2009, 10:15 PM

did you say NOS???

dorkidori_s13 · 02-12-2009, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s0apgun

pretty sure it was 9 years

1989-1998

you went and looked on wikipedia didnt you???

180sx was debuted as a 1988 model...the s13 silvia didnt debut until 1989...the last 180sx rolled off the production line in mid 99 i believe...fully loaded it cost more than a top model S15 Spec-R

dorkidori_s13 · 02-12-2009, 10:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Matej

If the S-chassis successor was supposed to be anywhere close to resembling the prototypes or a 350/370Z, I am glad they axed it.

from what ive been told by various people...it heavily resembled a G35 coupe

VROOOM · 02-12-2009, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rapier46

lol domestics

lol, canadians

s0apgun · 02-12-2009, 10:21 PM

so you're considering time of sales

not year of production

no wiki just thinking of all the 180sx years

Gnnr · 02-12-2009, 10:22 PM

WILDACEX187 · 02-12-2009, 10:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gnnr

lol

*racepar1* · 02-12-2009, 10:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve shadows

The S Chassis will go the way of the 510

Seriously. Too many are getting smashed up and thrown away. In 15-20 years a clean s-13 will be pretty much non-existent, if that long.

dorkidori_s13 · 02-12-2009, 10:39 PM

ok guys...stop the shit talking...this thread is supposed to be a MATURE conversation and input forum

BustedS13 · 02-12-2009, 10:52 PM

but mustangs are icky, they have too many horse powers and the same suspension configuration as an ae86, my second favoritest car evers

waahhhhhh

soreballz · 02-12-2009, 11:05 PM

"No, i cannot afford to spend $20.000 - $25,000 on a new car, but i am interested in the car greatly."

Yupp. I'm broke, and probably always will be. lol

xdarkrune · 02-12-2009, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

the last skyline GTR rolled off the production floor in november of 2002...so keep that in mind

and the new one had been in development since then. PLUS the release of the z-tune gt-r in like, 05-06 i think it was. for a company that was on the verge of going under, i woulndt call the s chassis a success story. yeah the 180sx was in production for 10 years, but alot of manufacturers do this. fd3s rx7 was in production for 10 years, so was the s2k. hell even the new bettle has been in production for 10 years, with a remodel coming in 2011. basically it boils down to demand. if the demand for it is there, they will build it. the demand was there for the gt-r which is why they build it. hell, they dont even ADVERTISE the car at all, as requested by carlos. there is a very small demand for a new s chassis. end of story. as a nissan lover it would be awesome for it to happen, but i just dont see it in the near future.

*fliprayzin240sx* · 02-13-2009, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

you couldnt be more wrong with that statement...the silvia was a HUGE contender in the markets it was available in with the proper engines (not the KA24 which was garbage)...the silvia sold more cars than the Skyline and Z combined...regardless of Js, Qs, Ks, X, A, R, or M models...the cars sold like crazy during their life spans (need i remind you that the 180sx hatchback had an 11 year production run???)...not that they outsold the regular bread and butter sedans...but in comparison to the Skyline and Z...it was a winner

the reason the Silvia was axed (along with the Z and the Skyline and about 10-15 other vehicles in nissans late 90s/early 2000s lineup) was due to nissan almost going BANKRUPT!!!! oi...carlos ghosn saw an opportunity to take hold of nissan...renault bought 45% of nissans shares...ghosn was appointed nissan CEO...he axed pretty much any and all un-neccesary cars...and kept the little round badge with a square brand alive...if u do some research...ull find that the 350z had been remodeled 3-4 times before it was allowed to even be shown at auto shows as a concept...but im not gonna get into the nitty gritty details

what it basically boils down to was that nissan was in the hole...they were 2 days away from the closing the doors due to bankruptcy...renault and carlos ghosn took the company and made it profitable again (he has been praised by business professionals all over the world for what hes done with the company in such a short time span)

the silvia was never axed due to poor sales or because it was outweighed by a bigger badder sports car...the last silvia rolled off the production floor in october of 2002...the last skyline GTR rolled off the production floor in november of 2002...so keep that in mind

Quote:

Originally Posted by dorkidori_s13

you went and looked on wikipedia didnt you???

180sx was debuted as a 1988 model...the s13 silvia didnt debut until 1989...the last 180sx rolled off the production line in mid 99 i believe...fully loaded it cost more than a top model S15 Spec-R

Well you do know that NISSAN never really took off as a global name. Nissan is big in Japan and Japan only. Sure the S-chassis was peddled world wide, but just like in the states, they didnt have as big of a following in the 90s. How many people really gave a shit about these cars outside Japan before 1999? The sad truth is not a whole lot. Not till the popularity of drifting, is when people really started paying attention on these cars. Unfortunately, it was too late by then. S15s werent even a global car, when Nissan pulled the plug on the S14 in the states due to the pathetic sales number, Nissan pulled the S-chassis for Europe too.

The same reason that the S-chassis got axed, would be the same reason why it wont come back anytime soon. Ghosn single handedly turned around the company, took roughly 5 yrs to get the company around, and now this quarter was the first time since 2004 that Nissan came out in the negative. Do you really think Nissan will risk putting themselves back to the same position they were in a decade ago to make a few enthusiasts happy? I dont know what world you live in but you need to open your eyes and realize it, the whole world is in a recession, companies that prepare for it are the only ones that will survive it. This isnt something that will go away in 5 yrs, if anything shit will only get worst. The cherry on top of all this, the Yen exchange rate...the way shit are right now, no way in hell Nissan can afford to build a new sub $25k car.

As far as the 180, yes it was a very popular, but again, only in Japan. The 180sx hatch was produced all the way to 1998, around the same time the last S14 rolled off the factory. Once the S15 came out to replace the S14, the 180sx ceased to exist also.

View Poll Results: Please Vote HONESTLY Below...
Yes, I am ready to make a new car purchase, and i want the new "240sx replacement"	69	11.42%
I am interested in the car, but i will not make a decision until ive seen the car	276	45.70%
No, i cannot afford to spend $20.000 - $25,000 on a new car, but i am interested in the car greatly	156	25.83%
No, Nissan has lost a customer due to not making any official announcements and im tired of waiting	11	1.82%
No, i am planning on purchasing a 350z/370z/G35/G37	44	7.28%
I will be purchasing a 2010 Hyundai Genesis because i am tired of the wait for Nissan's offering	48	7.95%
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