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mav1178 · 10-01-2008, 08:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DataXUnknown

Socal would be best for location hands down. I mean if you think about it, why is the final round for Formula D going to be in socal? And why was D1GP's final round in socal? Because socal is just the best spot to pick for events. Biggest crowds, most market support, huge local drift scenes throughout socal...etc.

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Originally Posted by illvialuver

this may sound a little bit crazy, but there should be two events. kinda like east and west.
like the east one somewhere in Va.
and the West one in Las Vegas.

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Originally Posted by WakeBHR

My 2 cents: I am from nor cal and love it till the day i die but in all fairness I bow to the south just due to sheer volume of scene affiliated people down there,

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Originally Posted by S13SilviaGirl

The location will most likely be socal. Why? simple. Vendors, sponsors and the general amount of people in the area. It is easier for vendors to travel 50 miles, than 500+

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Originally Posted by 89s13steve

I'd say vegas just because I think you could get alot more people from different parts of the country, but SoCal isn't bad either.

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Originally Posted by driftgodleo

Exactly, almost ALL the events are Socal, California would be the best place to do it, but try to do something new, hold the event in Norcal!

The quotes referenced above were mostly posted by people in the Southwest.

The quotes above also tell me how horrid this will be if you want to discuss location... I'm glad the location isn't up for discussion.

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Originally Posted by codyace

The SE-R (SERCA) national convention has been held all over the United States (texas, alabama, NYC area, DC area, etc etc) with great success at attracting people from all over. Venders have never had issue donating stuff, and mailing it to us in order to either hand out, raffle off, etc etc.

I see your point, and love conventions, but just because it's not in a certain area doesn't mean it won't get vender and or sponsor support. Heck Aquamist and Whiteline donated stuff to the 06 Convention...and they're from the UK and Australia)

The problem with rotating locations is management and planning.

If it was so "easy" to attract all these people to attend these events, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

Much like all this talk about whether Nissan will have a S16 or not in the future, all the "talk" is really useless if there are no returns or potential returns to the organizers.

I purposely made the event in '02 cheap (Friday was free if you did not eat pizza, Saturday was free if you didn't register and $30 if you registered, Sunday was optional) because I realized that 240SX owners are inherently cheap. People complained about $100 track events in '02; they STILL complain about $100 track events NOW.

I just wish I had not lost the data stored on my hard drive from the '02 event; I archived every single piece of email for it, and had the registration information and comments from each and every single registered attendee... the overall picture paints one of 240SX owners willing to attend an event, but unwilling to pay the true costs of it.

There's a lot more to it than just this...

-alex

mav1178 · 10-01-2008, 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by S13SilviaGirl

Alex, Kevin said to ask you if you remember someone asking to borrow wheels for United Nations of Nissan Meet?

?

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Originally Posted by let5l1de

Yes -alex.

We had our short convo 1am Sunday morning about what it takes to make a great event and not just another meet. Epic events do take time, dedication, a pro-active team, money etc... That is why we will milk you for all the wealth of knowledge and experience you may have to offer us OB1.

I think what we talked about was important for others to read:

you (12:54:52 AM): Hmmm, I know a lot of money and months of planning went into it.

Day 1- Meet up at speed zone
Day 2- All 240's parked at Nissan HQ, and Mr. K himself came by and was signing the Z cars...I still have my convention shirt with his autograph on it
Day 3- Streets of Willow.

Alex did a phenomenal job putting it together...I honestly don't think many ppl can top Alex's events....also, the Nissan Owners Festival....god...we need Alex back in the scene!!!!
alex (12:57:32 AM): i would plan more except with how fragmented all the various forums are, it's not worth my time.
alex (12:58:11 AM): it was quite easy to do, actually
alex (12:58:20 AM): people just don't realize how simple it is to do.
you (12:58:43 AM): well dedication and a team of people can do this relatively easy
alex (12:58:49 AM): rule 1: run it like a professional event and things will be good. run it like a normal "meet" and you will get a shitty event.
you (12:58:56 AM): it is simple with the right planning
you (12:59:05 AM): haha
you (12:59:11 AM): yes true
alex (12:59:24 AM): that's where i think different
alex (12:59:30 AM): you and everyone else laugh at it
you (12:59:31 AM): but its nice to have some veteran leadership at the mast as well
alex (12:59:44 AM): i look at it and shake my head because no one understands what it takes to run these events.
alex (1:00:00 AM): first and foremost, the person has to give up the concept of fun.
you (1:00:05 AM): well run an event ... anyone can do
you (1:00:10 AM): run an epic event
alex (1:00:10 AM): when the event starts to run itself, it will be fun.
you (1:00:20 AM): now that takes time money and heart
you (1:00:31 AM): yes i agree
you (1:01:50 AM): so are you saying this superior meet is a normal meet?
alex (1:02:12 AM): no
alex (1:02:20 AM): i'm saying what i did before was nothing special
you (1:03:18 AM): i beg to disagree. i call you out to better the 3day meet....
you (1:03:38 AM): do it for next year.
you (1:03:59 AM): get back into it alex.

Seriously, '02 was nothing special. Looking back, the only change I might have made would have been more limitations on the raffle tickets sold, but that would have been it.

My personal experience teaches me that these events need to be planned SERIOUSLY. There needs to be a single person in charge of the entire event, and there needs to be a clear structure of duties delegated from top to bottom. There needs to be little discussion outside of location on "what should we do", because it is physically impossible to accomidate the wants and needs of everyone.

I can go on and on about all these other things regarding event planning, but the bottom line is that it needs to be taken seriously in order for the event to succeed. That includes drafting a clear, concise, and EFFECTIVE sponsorship proposal, of all things, for vendors and businesses to see. It's not about your connections nor who you know, but rather what BENEFITS you can bring to the companies and/or entities providing support to the event.

Same goes for attendees. What is so "special" about an event like this that would make them want to attend, or drive far from across the country?

One of my personal motivations was that a lot of old timers were able to make it out to the event in '02. A short list of of these people that may be meaningless to you (but important to me) include:

Don Nimi
Angie & Willie Weir
Dave Alexander
Asad Aboobaker
Mike Mamos
Jeff Holden
Yury Llyalko
Patrick Hall

There's countless more I can mention if given enough time, but I don't care so much for the event as I do for the people attending, that is the most important thing.

And if anyone thinks I'm being negative about this, you completely fail to see my point and my suggestions.

-alex

rednissan180 · 10-01-2008, 09:26 PM

I would totally drive from TN for a 240 convention!
...not that mine is cool or anything

*Tearlessj* · 10-02-2008, 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by rednissan180

I would totally drive from TN for a 240 convention!
...not that mine is cool or anything

Well shit, shotgun!

*WakeBHR* · 10-02-2008, 07:24 AM

so uh back on topic........ I would like to know if any other people are working on any kind of art or logos for this event Ive already got some ideas sown on paper and will be posting pics soon to get feedback. and I will most definitley be living down in socal by 2010 so whatever free floorspace I have is up for grabs. parking is on you tho.
(hot chicks get dibs on my bed.... me included)

luisgonz · 10-02-2008, 02:36 PM

I can hold a pre party, At a Bar or CLub.

But it will be in Hollywood.
I'll start off by practicing every night till then.LOL

*exitspeed* · 10-02-2008, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by exitspeed

I want to go to a party out there like I see on TV and movies, where there's nothing but hot ass people and chicks making out with each other.

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Originally Posted by luisgonz

I can hold a pre party, At a Bar or CLub.

But it will be in Hollywood.
I'll start off by practicing every night till then.LOL

If it's a pre party like that, then count me in.

*xfallen1x* · 10-02-2008, 02:47 PM

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Originally Posted by luisgonz

I can hold a pre party, At a Bar or CLub.

But it will be in Hollywood.
I'll start off by practicing every night till then.LOL

let the practicing begin

Luis where you at?

RedEvilRPS13 · 10-02-2008, 02:54 PM

hmmm interesting.

Well I'm sure the powers that be will make the right decisions.

the only problem i see with this is the maturity of the general 240sx crowd, which can make things....erm...difficult. The old school muscle car guys, being older, are alot easier to deal with in large groups.

One thing that needs to be enforced is that behavioral and vehicular ignorance will not be tolerated.

also, I do get your points and suggestions mav1178, and I agree with them, however I don't see the need to be so condescending about it. yes, the current scene sucks, yes alot of the current 240 owners are jackholes, but you are no better than the rest of us, regardless of what you've taken part of, or how long ago you got into it.

just because i've owned a 240 for 5 years doesnt make me better than anyone who's owned a 240 for 1.

I have respect for the old timers, and they've earned it, but the condescension that comes with them, while semi understandable, is no better than the immaturity and ignorance that comes with the newer fanboys.

luisgonz · 10-02-2008, 03:41 PM

^^^^^They are just kids, I might seem like a jackhole. But I dont think so. I just like to much fun.LOL I think everything will be fine. Again, Need any help just let me know.

*DALAZ_68* · 10-02-2008, 03:43 PM

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Originally Posted by mav1178

And if anyone thinks I'm being negative about this, you completely fail to see my point and my suggestions.

-alex

i see it as quality>quantity and ur right ...

projectRDM · 10-02-2008, 04:05 PM

I'll add to this because it seems to come up every time there's a meet anywhere. This is not a car show. All the people who think they can't make it or don't want to because 'the car won't be done' need to stop it. The point is to meet others in the community, sure it's based around the cars but those people who back out just because their aerokit isn't painted yet or their wheels haven't shown up are hacks. We had that problem in 2003 in Atlanta, I had people emailing like crazy saying they wanted to wait to pay to make sure their car was done, that money could have been used to help secure the track. We ended up missing the deadline and loosing the entire deposit, and when the weekend came around at least 15 people who never paid, never emailed, never even responded showed up and expected to hit the track anyway. When you say yes you're committed to doing your part, whether you're prepared for it or not. Remember that. It hurts the whole community when just a few let down their end. Car or no car, if you're willing to show up, help, and support the idea, stick with it. Backing out over something trivial is just shitty to do to people.

*exitspeed* · 10-02-2008, 04:13 PM

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Originally Posted by projectRDM

This is not a car show. All the people who think they can't make it or don't want to because 'the car won't be done' need to stop it. .

Exactly. I'm not even planning on coming because of my 240. I just want to meet up with everyone.

I wish we could make this an 18+ event.

*future240* · 10-02-2008, 04:20 PM

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Originally Posted by exitspeed

Exactly. I'm not even planning on coming because of my 240. I just want to meet up with everyone.

I wish we could make this an 18+ event.

Same here, I dont even have a 240 yet, yet I am now puttin money into the zilvia meet fund, to make sure I can go

RedEvilRPS13 · 10-02-2008, 04:23 PM

honestly if i had my way i'd bring my damned beetle. but I digress.

I agree 100% with projetRDM's post.

*xfallen1x* · 10-02-2008, 08:22 PM

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Originally Posted by luisgonz

^^^^^They are just kids, I might seem like a jackhole. But I dont think so. I just like to much fun.LOL I think everything will be fine. Again, Need any help just let me know.

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Originally Posted by projectRDM

I'll add to this because it seems to come up every time there's a meet anywhere. This is not a car show. All the people who think they can't make it or don't want to because 'the car won't be done' need to stop it. The point is to meet others in the community, sure it's based around the cars but those people who back out just because their aerokit isn't painted yet or their wheels haven't shown up are hacks. We had that problem in 2003 in Atlanta, I had people emailing like crazy saying they wanted to wait to pay to make sure their car was done, that money could have been used to help secure the track. We ended up missing the deadline and loosing the entire deposit, and when the weekend came around at least 15 people who never paid, never emailed, never even responded showed up and expected to hit the track anyway. When you say yes you're committed to doing your part, whether you're prepared for it or not. Remember that. It hurts the whole community when just a few let down their end. Car or no car, if you're willing to show up, help, and support the idea, stick with it. Backing out over something trivial is just shitty to do to people.

Well put. Our cars are just a common ground we share at these events/meets/conventions etc & should be for the sole purpose of meeting those who share the same love for their car and finding out other interest besides that. Building new friendships/networking all that good stuff.
No need to stres about your car not being complete, or talking down those rides you don't seem to like the way they look (beater, in process, whatever). Everyone is different. Lots of other car enthusist manage to be successful because they look beyond all those little details that are non-important and there is absoultely no reason why we THE 240SX Community cannot do the same or better!

*DTC SUPERSTAR* · 10-02-2008, 09:53 PM

Very well put ^

It's all about having a good time.

*ericcastro* · 10-02-2008, 10:52 PM

^exactly guys, well stated.

this is gonna be epic and so much fun !!!

*future240* · 10-02-2008, 11:02 PM

^Hell yes it is

To all the naysayers and people bitchin bout where it is or might be

hellion240sx · 10-03-2008, 02:15 AM

i don't know if i am supposed to suggest anything, but what about the gap?

240's at the gap would be really nice. it's known for holding lots of vehicles. nice drive around the gap. yadayadayada. well looking forward to this

Fonix36 · 10-03-2008, 02:24 AM

My only complaint and bitch is that its so far away the suspense sucks

chicagophoto84 · 10-03-2008, 09:37 AM

Hey, if you need any help with graphics / posters / flyers / or pictures (im living in japan). Let me know. I'm trying to get my name out there so all of my help is for free.

Naughty240 · 10-03-2008, 10:06 AM

This sounds awesome. Too bad I live on the east coast and no longer drive a 240. I would def spread the word on my other forums though. Maybe even take the first vacation of my live and attend.

MrFuel · 10-03-2008, 02:12 PM

Sounds like this will be a blast!!

*Brian* · 10-03-2008, 03:23 PM

Alex Chang is THE TRUTH

jrocslider · 10-03-2008, 05:34 PM

pm sent with info.

i'm willing to help out with this but i know how people are usually cheap and just talk. i would totally understand if this was done in so cal just because of the number of people who live in the area and such.

mav1178 · 10-05-2008, 02:46 AM

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Originally Posted by RedEvilRPS13

also, I do get your points and suggestions mav1178, and I agree with them, however I don't see the need to be so condescending about it. yes, the current scene sucks, yes alot of the current 240 owners are jackholes, but you are no better than the rest of us, regardless of what you've taken part of, or how long ago you got into it.

just because i've owned a 240 for 5 years doesnt make me better than anyone who's owned a 240 for 1.

I have respect for the old timers, and they've earned it, but the condescension that comes with them, while semi understandable, is no better than the immaturity and ignorance that comes with the newer fanboys.

Again, if you think my comments were negative, you fail to see my point.

If you think that I view myself as somehow being superior, you're about as far away from the truth as one can be.

-alex

*future240* · 10-05-2008, 11:58 AM

^ I've never seen you around the forum till recently, but you speak the truth. So Alex IYO what do you think us people on the east coast that arent graphic designers could do to help out the cause?

mav1178 · 10-06-2008, 10:54 PM

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Originally Posted by future240

^ I've never seen you around the forum till recently, but you speak the truth. So Alex IYO what do you think us people on the east coast that arent graphic designers could do to help out the cause?

I haven't been around (here or anywhere else) because I haven't had time to do anything car-related for quite some time, and frankly my own life doesn't revolve around my car or any car-related events.

For those that want to support and help out (but are physically incapable of doing any local logistical work), my suggestion is the following:

- Try to attend the event. Remember, it's about the people, NOT about the car. In '02 there were a good ~20+ that flew in, rented a car that was NOT a Nissan, and attended the event. Not a single one complained about being there without a 240SX... and frankly no one cared! Part of the reason why events are the way they are is in fact due to the people attending, and the lengths to which they make plans to attend the event. If you have a bunch of backyard locals attending a "national convention", I highly doubt it can be labeled as such.

- If you can't attend, you can try to get people to register. Anyone can do this, but really the event should sell itself without much fanfare. People should feel compelled to attend from within, not from peer pressure or because "everyone else is going". But some need more convincing than others... and this is where word of mouth comes in.

- Besides giving support, there's not much else. Take a look at large conventions planned, automotive or otherwise, and you can see that there are a lot of logistical and operations-related items that you just need to physically be there to take care of. My prime example is the annual SEMA Show, where you have to have a booth set up physically, and lots of logistics cannot be taken care of remotely from another location.

Not much you can do on this, unfortunately.

-alex

tanks13 · 10-06-2008, 11:05 PM

if you guys can come up with a flyer idea ill make them or ill pay for them to get made

10-02-2008, 04:05 PM	#72
projectRDM Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Atlanta Age: 35 Posts: 12,992 Trader Rating: (12)	I'll add to this because it seems to come up every time there's a meet anywhere. This is not a car show. All the people who think they can't make it or don't want to because 'the car won't be done' need to stop it. The point is to meet others in the community, sure it's based around the cars but those people who back out just because their aerokit isn't painted yet or their wheels haven't shown up are hacks. We had that problem in 2003 in Atlanta, I had people emailing like crazy saying they wanted to wait to pay to make sure their car was done, that money could have been used to help secure the track. We ended up missing the deadline and loosing the entire deposit, and when the weekend came around at least 15 people who never paid, never emailed, never even responded showed up and expected to hit the track anyway. When you say yes you're committed to doing your part, whether you're prepared for it or not. Remember that. It hurts the whole community when just a few let down their end. Car or no car, if you're willing to show up, help, and support the idea, stick with it. Backing out over something trivial is just shitty to do to people. __________________ FORMERLY R240NA Learn what's really going on and protect your assets now before they're gone forever: www.paypalsucks.com

10-02-2008, 09:53 PM	#77
DTC SUPERSTAR Skid Racer Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: LBC/OC Age: 34 Posts: 5,068 Trader Rating: (13)	Very well put ^ It's all about having a good time. __________________ "THEM SUMS OF BITCHES IS SKID RACING"

10-02-2008, 10:52 PM	#78
ericcastro Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: meet a giant fish....LIKE A BOSS!! Age: 33 Posts: 3,780 Trader Rating: (4) Rides Gallery: ericcastro	^exactly guys, well stated. this is gonna be epic and so much fun !!! __________________ GET ON MY HORSE

10-03-2008, 02:15 AM	#80
hellion240sx Zilvia Addict Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: NOLA Age: 28 Posts: 744 Trader Rating: (0)	i don't know if i am supposed to suggest anything, but what about the gap? 240's at the gap would be really nice. it's known for holding lots of vehicles. nice drive around the gap. yadayadayada. well looking forward to this __________________ R.I.P. KAIN. YOU'LL ALWAYS BE BY MY SIDE! HYPEORDIE.COM!!!!!!! COMING SOON.

10-03-2008, 02:12 PM	#84
MrFuel Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Nor Cal Age: 27 Posts: 484 Trader Rating: (6)	Sounds like this will be a blast!! __________________

10-01-2008, 09:26 PM	#63
rednissan180 Zilvia Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: 901 Posts: 163 Trader Rating: (1)	I would totally drive from TN for a 240 convention! ...not that mine is cool or anything

10-02-2008, 02:36 PM	#66
luisgonz BANNED Join Date: May 2004 Location: los angeles Age: 26 Posts: 2,769 Trader Rating: (6)	I can hold a pre party, At a Bar or CLub. But it will be in Hollywood. I'll start off by practicing every night till then.LOL

10-02-2008, 03:41 PM	#70
luisgonz BANNED Join Date: May 2004 Location: los angeles Age: 26 Posts: 2,769 Trader Rating: (6)	^^^^^They are just kids, I might seem like a jackhole. But I dont think so. I just like to much fun.LOL I think everything will be fine. Again, Need any help just let me know.

10-03-2008, 09:37 AM	#82
chicagophoto84 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Okinawa Japan Age: 25 Posts: 1 Trader Rating: (0)	Hey, if you need any help with graphics / posters / flyers / or pictures (im living in japan). Let me know. I'm trying to get my name out there so all of my help is for free.

10-03-2008, 10:06 AM	#83
Naughty240 Zilvia Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: Rhode Island Age: 29 Posts: 165 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: Naughty240	This sounds awesome. Too bad I live on the east coast and no longer drive a 240. I would def spread the word on my other forums though. Maybe even take the first vacation of my live and attend.

10-03-2008, 03:23 PM	#85
Brian #10 poster. Mmbr since Jan.'03 Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: long beach california Age: 25 Posts: 10,227 Trader Rating: (37) Rides Gallery: Brian	Alex Chang is THE TRUTH __________________ http://bhworld.wordpress.com/ I deal WEDS Wheels if you want them....

10-03-2008, 05:34 PM	#86
jrocslider Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: SATX Age: 23 Posts: 1,217 Trader Rating: (3) Rides Gallery: jrocslider	pm sent with info. i'm willing to help out with this but i know how people are usually cheap and just talk. i would totally understand if this was done in so cal just because of the number of people who live in the area and such. __________________

10-06-2008, 11:05 PM	#90
tanks13 Zilvia Addict Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Highland Park,CA 90042 Age: 21 Posts: 726 Trader Rating: (9)	if you guys can come up with a flyer idea ill make them or ill pay for them to get made __________________

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