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forum04pl · 10-05-2008, 11:24 PM

Congrats Bill, I'm glad too see it went well for you!

blu808 · 10-05-2008, 11:36 PM

Its not a surprise that you placed on the podium. Way to go Bill!!

Your a tall mofo.

idriveattz32 · 10-06-2008, 07:07 AM

looks like your paint influence came from painters tape...i love it, good job on the success

*upSLIDEdown* · 10-06-2008, 04:10 PM

I heard you had a coolant mishap, and an S2k ended up in the wall after going though it... Just curious. I didn't make it down this year. I really wanted to, but it didn't happen.

*SoSideways* · 10-06-2008, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eclip5e

I'd totally destroy the blonde on Bill's left hand side.

Good god

*sncs14* · 10-06-2008, 04:28 PM

Congrats on the podium finish Bill, I walked through to check out the car, but you seemed busy checking or changing spark plugs and talking to other people. I missed all the unlimited RWD class runs, so hopefully we'll see some good video soon.

*sonomadrifter* · 10-06-2008, 07:02 PM

Hope you dont mind but I snapped a few. That color really stands out, first car I noticed and it looks real good.

Congradulations!

eclip5e · 10-06-2008, 07:27 PM

Officially:
October 3-5 2008, GT Live

This weekend Bill Washburn of Dent Sport Garage and Ron Adams of Visual Assault headed down to Virginia International Raceway for the 2008 GT Live / Redline Time Attack. Bill was campaigning the DSG 240RS Maxi E2 in Unlimited Rear-Wheel Drive. Ron was campaigning the RASpec Impreza in Modified All-Wheel Drive.

This was a particularly exciting event for Dent Sport Garage, as this was the first competitive event for both the 240RS and the RASpec Impreza in their new 2008 configuration.

Competing at GT Live was my main goal for 2008, I reached that goal, and being able to get 2nd place was an added bonus. Next year i’ll be focusing on setup and building driver confidance. said Ron about his thoughts on the 2nd place finish.

Ron and Bill were supported by Scot Ehrlinger of Dent Sport Garage. Bill would like to thank UTI for making this trip possible. Ron would like to thank DSG for their continued support and build of his car. Both Ron and Bill appreciate BTM Sports’ Burak Tuglu for his continued support at this event.

DSG Takes 2 Podium Finishes at GT Live

KiDyNomiTe · 10-06-2008, 08:05 PM

Congrats Bill,

It was nice meeting you and the rest of you guys. Now go get yourself a nice pit bmx bike, it will make your events much more fun.

eclip5e · 10-06-2008, 08:06 PM

Yea, i gotta practice my wheelies more. Next year i'm bringing my fixie.

*DJButton* · 10-06-2008, 09:55 PM

Congrats Bill, didn't realize you got the podium, then again, we did leave before you went over to check. Seemed like everyone had a blast all weekend, even with the issues. We didn't even care that our NICO car died, just took off some pressure and gave us more time to hang-out. Look forward to some kind of meet before the snow.

Wait till I get the pictures we took uploaded, GT Live thought I was the driver of Modified Magazine's S2000 and took some funny pictures with me and the GT Live girls. It was weird, the models were actually cute there.

Quote:

Originally Posted by MavericStephenc

even got some ladies.....you devil you

congrats guys!

95KA-Turbo · 10-07-2008, 12:10 AM

It sucks I couldn't make it this year. My Dad's birthday is on the 4th and I had promised to completely rip apart his garage and clean it...it took like 8 hours. I would have much rather been up at GT Live, haha.

driftstyre · 10-07-2008, 10:03 AM

It was great meeting and hanging with all the Zilvians that were there. I was able to see a good amount of the ProAm drift competition and it was awesome. Brian Wilkerson's(sp?) car is absolutely insane. One of the best sounding cars I have ever heard and really sent chills down my spine. There were some really good drivers.

I consider the event a success for me only because I was able to squeeze onto the podium with only 4 complete laps around the track the whole weekend and with 5 year old Hoosier R3s. The car handled so well and once the suspension has been tuned a bit it can definitely do 2:00 laps at VIR. I was able to do a 2:08 before something on the engine let go after two laps of the timed session. The weekend started with a cylinder missing at random points around the track. This was happening at idle once in a while over the past two months and it seemed to fix itself so I forgot about it. After three sessions missed because of that I took the Autronic and MSD out and tracked it down to one of the pins in the 12 pin Deutsch connector. I think something got in there connecting the plug at one point and the pin for the #4 spark into the MSD had backed out, just enough for intermittent spark. Another problem was the coolant spewing out of the overflow which was a PITA because it is in the back of the car and shoots forward into the cockpit when it relieves. The cap ended up not being completely tight. Sweet. Every session was wasted because of these two things. I figured out the coolant problem during the practice session Sunday morning. The remainder of the session was cancelled due to a heavy off of the Takata car. So I went into the timed session with no practice besides laps cruising the track after realizing the car was still F-ed up. I lowered the boost to 19psi and drove the car without worrying about anything. It ran awesome, handled well and by the middle of the second lap the tires gripped better than any I have ever had (note; get good tires next year). Both my competitors had brand new autocross tires for the timed session so I was happy with the car. I didn't even care that my engine broke during the third timed lap(especially since the flat bottom and diffuser created a giant, smooth, 50 ft long rooster tail behind the car with the oil smoke). Under acceleration, the exhaust creates a small cone flame out the exhaust. Some pics.

The owner (Keiji Ishihara) of Japanese Nissan tuner, I.A.TEC was checking my car out. Ron was translating for me

Keiji was there with his son and daughter. He is interested in running a car in Redline events and their company has campaigned a GT300 S14 in JGTC as well as an S15 in Super Taikyu. He was very impressed with the Nissan and commented on it being built in a different way than any other Time Attack Nissan in Japan. He was also very surprised I was using an S13 engine instead of S15 as well as a stock crank. I told him the car was built on a budget and he laughed a little bit. It was definitely an honor meeting him as one of the only privateers running a JGTC car.

*Om1kron* · 10-07-2008, 10:10 AM

beautiful!

irritatedmax · 10-07-2008, 10:35 AM

awesome update, bill. great job to dsg. how old was the engine? was it rebuilt or just everything around it?

driftstyre · 10-07-2008, 12:34 PM

The engine has forged internals but the #4 rod failed. I found the lower rod half on the flat underbelly of the car. The high heat coloring most likely means spun bearing. The plug looks perfect so it would most likely be from contamination in the bearing area. The block/crank/rod and piston are destroyed which blows but this is racing. I'd rather not build it again myself as I am not an engine builder so I might have an SR specialist like Mazworx do the bottom end.

*SoSideways* · 10-07-2008, 01:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftstyre

The engine has forged internals but the #4 rod failed. I found the lower rod half on the flat underbelly of the car. The high heat coloring most likely means spun bearing. The plug looks perfect so it would most likely be from contamination in the bearing area. The block/crank/rod and piston are destroyed which blows but this is racing. I'd rather not build it again myself as I am not an engine builder so I might have an SR specialist like Mazworx do the bottom end.

Opt for their badass oiling service in the main caps area, as well as the bearings.

That should help your engine last a lot longer under racing conditions, then you wouldn't have to worry about engine problems during race weekends

0100 · 10-07-2008, 06:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftstyre

The owner (Keiji Ishihara) of Japanese Nissan tuner, I.A.TEC was also checking my car. He was very impressed with the Nissan and commented on it being built in a different way than any other Time Attack Nissan in Japan.

Very cool, it's stuff like that, that I think is way cooler than any trophy.

The car looks fantastic on track.

Big congrats to the entire DSG team!

agrabau · 10-07-2008, 08:00 PM

Bill I think that the best part is that you made it to the track and that was your goal. The project seems much bigger in person than it does in 10 pages of forum format considering that this is all one guy building, paying for and planning the car with virtually no sponsorship help.

Hopefully next year our whole team will have fresh soft compound tires on spare wheels for the TT, better sponsorship and planning.

Al

eclip5e · 10-07-2008, 11:53 PM

Yup. We need fancy popup tents too, more sunscreen, and this time im bringing a crapton of groceries.

And tarps to cover that crappy gravel paddock area.

boosteds14 · 10-08-2008, 07:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eclip5e

Yup. We need fancy popup tents too, more sunscreen, and this time im bringing a crapton of groceries.

And tarps to cover that crappy gravel paddock area.

hahah, i let you use them and i had tarp you could have used....you should have beat bill to parking under the tent so his car stayed out in the night LOL

eclip5e · 10-08-2008, 08:16 AM

his car didn't have windows, so i let him use it.

where'd you get those popups?

driftstyre · 10-08-2008, 08:30 AM

Thanks Alex. Next year we will get some funding...I need a motor first.

Jeff got the tents on Ebay, $125 each, with the sides.

Bumnah · 10-08-2008, 08:59 AM

I read updates on your 240rs build religiously. Great stuff Bill, a real inspiration.

driftstyre · 10-08-2008, 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Bumnah

I read updates on your 240rs build religiously. Great stuff Bill, a real inspiration.

Thanks dude. Where's that photo that is usually in your sig, that funny looking guy?

Here is some of the rod I found on the rear of the flat bottom. I think there is more, haven't had time to look yet.

timtiminy · 10-08-2008, 10:11 AM

ouch... you should check out that guys SR24 from australia "My SR24 build" , i think mazworx did all the work on it but it definitely is a sick SR

driftstyre · 10-09-2008, 07:28 PM

Timmy,
That motor is sick. Not going to ever be able to afford anything like that.

So I started taking out the motor tonight. I went to drain the oil and water came out with a little oil. This could have been the whole issue, a blown headgasket. The headstuds had been torqued down about 4-5 times (over the past three years) so they could have lost some of their strength.
As far as a new motor goes, I can't afford anything crazy. I'd love to sleeve the block and run 90mm bore on stock stroke but I think I will most likely find a good block/crank, go .5mm overbore, APR mains and line hone, deck head and block, machine for extra oil holes in mains etc. I'm not sure about rods yet but I will use CP or JE pistons. I found some more of the rod on the other piece of the flat bottom, some oil/water concoction too.

WTF is this thing

Xracer · 10-09-2008, 10:05 PM

Damn that is really unfortunate. how were the clearances on the rod bearings when you assembled it? I find that SR's are quite sensitive to rod bearing tolerances A few times i have seen that aftermarket rod bearings in standard size are bit off for clearance. Since your road racing, i highly suggest you look into a wider bearing. Looking at discoloring of rod it looks like it was defiantly a spun rod bearing. It probably got so hot to the point where it started to fuse with the crankshaft and the rod failed under shear stress.

Did you have a metal HG? If so, my guess is that you might have a hole in your block somewhere after the rod failure. Thus breaching a coolant port in the block.

blu808 · 10-09-2008, 10:11 PM

Thats a great story Bill. Sure must have looked cool with that rooster tail.

I almost hate to say this but your car would be unstoppable with a high compression Na Ls1

240sxScores · 10-09-2008, 10:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by driftstyre

Just noticed, thats me and my friends sitting in the bleachers in this picture and the chevy cobalt we drove up there haha. And i got 2 videos of your car going by making those flames.

10-05-2008, 11:36 PM	#302
blu808 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: SPACE Age: 26 Posts: 4,768 Trader Rating: (1)	Its not a surprise that you placed on the podium. Way to go Bill!! Your a tall mofo. __________________ http://www.laboratory17.com/blu808sig.jpg I NEED A S14 INNER DOOR LATCH. Driver side. If you have one PM me ASAP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WWW.BLU808.COM

10-06-2008, 07:07 AM	#303
idriveattz32 Zilvia Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Bel Air, MD Age: 26 Posts: 151 Trader Rating: (0)	looks like your paint influence came from painters tape...i love it, good job on the success __________________ Sold the Z, sold the S14, now I drive a G35 6MT coupe.

10-06-2008, 04:10 PM	#304
upSLIDEdown Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: VA.. And for those that keep PMing me asking what kit I have, it's Origin Stream. Posts: 1,698 Trader Rating: (2)	I heard you had a coolant mishap, and an S2k ended up in the wall after going though it... Just curious. I didn't make it down this year. I really wanted to, but it didn't happen. __________________

10-06-2008, 04:28 PM	#306
sncs14 Premium Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Cary, NC Age: 26 Posts: 870 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: sncs14	Congrats on the podium finish Bill, I walked through to check out the car, but you seemed busy checking or changing spark plugs and talking to other people. I missed all the unlimited RWD class runs, so hopefully we'll see some good video soon. __________________ Last edited by sncs14; 10-06-2008 at 09:01 PM.

10-06-2008, 07:02 PM	#307
sonomadrifter Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: culpeper/richmond Posts: 224 Trader Rating: (7)	Hope you dont mind but I snapped a few. That color really stands out, first car I noticed and it looks real good. Congradulations! __________________

10-05-2008, 11:24 PM	#301
forum04pl Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: boston Posts: 558 Trader Rating: (10)	Congrats Bill, I'm glad too see it went well for you!

10-06-2008, 07:27 PM	#308
eclip5e Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Boston, MA, USA Age: 29 Posts: 24 Trader Rating: (0)	Officially: October 3-5 2008, GT Live This weekend Bill Washburn of Dent Sport Garage and Ron Adams of Visual Assault headed down to Virginia International Raceway for the 2008 GT Live / Redline Time Attack. Bill was campaigning the DSG 240RS Maxi E2 in Unlimited Rear-Wheel Drive. Ron was campaigning the RASpec Impreza in Modified All-Wheel Drive. This was a particularly exciting event for Dent Sport Garage, as this was the first competitive event for both the 240RS and the RASpec Impreza in their new 2008 configuration. Competing at GT Live was my main goal for 2008, I reached that goal, and being able to get 2nd place was an added bonus. Next year i’ll be focusing on setup and building driver confidance. said Ron about his thoughts on the 2nd place finish. Ron and Bill were supported by Scot Ehrlinger of Dent Sport Garage. Bill would like to thank UTI for making this trip possible. Ron would like to thank DSG for their continued support and build of his car. Both Ron and Bill appreciate BTM Sports’ Burak Tuglu for his continued support at this event. DSG Takes 2 Podium Finishes at GT Live

10-06-2008, 08:05 PM	#309
KiDyNomiTe Post Whore! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chi-Town Age: 23 Posts: 6,028 Trader Rating: (0) Rides Gallery: KiDyNomiTe	Congrats Bill, It was nice meeting you and the rest of you guys. Now go get yourself a nice pit bmx bike, it will make your events much more fun. __________________ Grip Gambler

10-06-2008, 08:06 PM	#310
eclip5e Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Boston, MA, USA Age: 29 Posts: 24 Trader Rating: (0)	Yea, i gotta practice my wheelies more. Next year i'm bringing my fixie.

10-07-2008, 12:10 AM	#312
95KA-Turbo Zilvia FREAK! Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: VA Age: 24 Posts: 1,249 Trader Rating: (11)	It sucks I couldn't make it this year. My Dad's birthday is on the 4th and I had promised to completely rip apart his garage and clean it...it took like 8 hours. I would have much rather been up at GT Live, haha. __________________ My Blog - knoop.sumospeed.com

10-07-2008, 10:03 AM	#313
driftstyre Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boston Age: 30 Posts: 723 Trader Rating: (4)	It was great meeting and hanging with all the Zilvians that were there. I was able to see a good amount of the ProAm drift competition and it was awesome. Brian Wilkerson's(sp?) car is absolutely insane. One of the best sounding cars I have ever heard and really sent chills down my spine. There were some really good drivers. I consider the event a success for me only because I was able to squeeze onto the podium with only 4 complete laps around the track the whole weekend and with 5 year old Hoosier R3s. The car handled so well and once the suspension has been tuned a bit it can definitely do 2:00 laps at VIR. I was able to do a 2:08 before something on the engine let go after two laps of the timed session. The weekend started with a cylinder missing at random points around the track. This was happening at idle once in a while over the past two months and it seemed to fix itself so I forgot about it. After three sessions missed because of that I took the Autronic and MSD out and tracked it down to one of the pins in the 12 pin Deutsch connector. I think something got in there connecting the plug at one point and the pin for the #4 spark into the MSD had backed out, just enough for intermittent spark. Another problem was the coolant spewing out of the overflow which was a PITA because it is in the back of the car and shoots forward into the cockpit when it relieves. The cap ended up not being completely tight. Sweet. Every session was wasted because of these two things. I figured out the coolant problem during the practice session Sunday morning. The remainder of the session was cancelled due to a heavy off of the Takata car. So I went into the timed session with no practice besides laps cruising the track after realizing the car was still F-ed up. I lowered the boost to 19psi and drove the car without worrying about anything. It ran awesome, handled well and by the middle of the second lap the tires gripped better than any I have ever had (note; get good tires next year). Both my competitors had brand new autocross tires for the timed session so I was happy with the car. I didn't even care that my engine broke during the third timed lap(especially since the flat bottom and diffuser created a giant, smooth, 50 ft long rooster tail behind the car with the oil smoke). Under acceleration, the exhaust creates a small cone flame out the exhaust. Some pics. The owner (Keiji Ishihara) of Japanese Nissan tuner, I.A.TEC was checking my car out. Ron was translating for me Keiji was there with his son and daughter. He is interested in running a car in Redline events and their company has campaigned a GT300 S14 in JGTC as well as an S15 in Super Taikyu. He was very impressed with the Nissan and commented on it being built in a different way than any other Time Attack Nissan in Japan. He was also very surprised I was using an S13 engine instead of S15 as well as a stock crank. I told him the car was built on a budget and he laughed a little bit. It was definitely an honor meeting him as one of the only privateers running a JGTC car. __________________ Dent Sport Garage Norwood, MA 781-551-3399 www.dentsport.com Motorsport Service and Fabrication In-House Dyno Dynamics AWD Dyno Last edited by driftstyre; 10-07-2008 at 06:40 PM.

10-07-2008, 10:10 AM	#314
Om1kron Violent Running Asshole Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: fontana, ca Age: 29 Posts: 3,656 Trader Rating: (9) Rides Gallery: Om1kron	beautiful! __________________ If I tell you to eat a dick in some form or matter, it's not cause I'm gay. It's because you probably prefer the company of a man.

10-07-2008, 10:35 AM	#315
irritatedmax Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Lincoln, NE Age: 24 Posts: 488 Trader Rating: (0)	awesome update, bill. great job to dsg. how old was the engine? was it rebuilt or just everything around it?

10-07-2008, 12:34 PM	#316
driftstyre Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boston Age: 30 Posts: 723 Trader Rating: (4)	The engine has forged internals but the #4 rod failed. I found the lower rod half on the flat underbelly of the car. The high heat coloring most likely means spun bearing. The plug looks perfect so it would most likely be from contamination in the bearing area. The block/crank/rod and piston are destroyed which blows but this is racing. I'd rather not build it again myself as I am not an engine builder so I might have an SR specialist like Mazworx do the bottom end. __________________ Dent Sport Garage Norwood, MA 781-551-3399 www.dentsport.com Motorsport Service and Fabrication In-House Dyno Dynamics AWD Dyno

10-07-2008, 08:00 PM	#319
agrabau Leaky Injector Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 78 Trader Rating: (0)	Bill I think that the best part is that you made it to the track and that was your goal. The project seems much bigger in person than it does in 10 pages of forum format considering that this is all one guy building, paying for and planning the car with virtually no sponsorship help. Hopefully next year our whole team will have fresh soft compound tires on spare wheels for the TT, better sponsorship and planning. Al __________________ Dent Sport Garage

10-07-2008, 11:53 PM	#320
eclip5e Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Boston, MA, USA Age: 29 Posts: 24 Trader Rating: (0)	Yup. We need fancy popup tents too, more sunscreen, and this time im bringing a crapton of groceries. And tarps to cover that crappy gravel paddock area.

10-08-2008, 08:16 AM	#322
eclip5e Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Boston, MA, USA Age: 29 Posts: 24 Trader Rating: (0)	his car didn't have windows, so i let him use it. where'd you get those popups?

10-08-2008, 08:30 AM	#323
driftstyre Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boston Age: 30 Posts: 723 Trader Rating: (4)	Thanks Alex. Next year we will get some funding...I need a motor first. Jeff got the tents on Ebay, $125 each, with the sides. __________________ Dent Sport Garage Norwood, MA 781-551-3399 www.dentsport.com Motorsport Service and Fabrication In-House Dyno Dynamics AWD Dyno Last edited by driftstyre; 10-08-2008 at 08:51 AM.

10-08-2008, 08:59 AM	#324
Bumnah Leaky Injector Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: VA Posts: 130 Trader Rating: (1)	I read updates on your 240rs build religiously. Great stuff Bill, a real inspiration.

10-08-2008, 10:11 AM	#326
timtiminy Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Socal Posts: 581 Trader Rating: (0)	ouch... you should check out that guys SR24 from australia "My SR24 build" , i think mazworx did all the work on it but it definitely is a sick SR

10-09-2008, 07:28 PM	#327
driftstyre Zilvia.net Advertiser Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boston Age: 30 Posts: 723 Trader Rating: (4)	Timmy, That motor is sick. Not going to ever be able to afford anything like that. So I started taking out the motor tonight. I went to drain the oil and water came out with a little oil. This could have been the whole issue, a blown headgasket. The headstuds had been torqued down about 4-5 times (over the past three years) so they could have lost some of their strength. As far as a new motor goes, I can't afford anything crazy. I'd love to sleeve the block and run 90mm bore on stock stroke but I think I will most likely find a good block/crank, go .5mm overbore, APR mains and line hone, deck head and block, machine for extra oil holes in mains etc. I'm not sure about rods yet but I will use CP or JE pistons. I found some more of the rod on the other piece of the flat bottom, some oil/water concoction too. WTF is this thing __________________ Dent Sport Garage Norwood, MA 781-551-3399 www.dentsport.com Motorsport Service and Fabrication In-House Dyno Dynamics AWD Dyno

10-09-2008, 10:05 PM	#328
Xracer Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Minnesota Posts: 593 Trader Rating: (3)	Damn that is really unfortunate. how were the clearances on the rod bearings when you assembled it? I find that SR's are quite sensitive to rod bearing tolerances A few times i have seen that aftermarket rod bearings in standard size are bit off for clearance. Since your road racing, i highly suggest you look into a wider bearing. Looking at discoloring of rod it looks like it was defiantly a spun rod bearing. It probably got so hot to the point where it started to fuse with the crankshaft and the rod failed under shear stress. Did you have a metal HG? If so, my guess is that you might have a hole in your block somewhere after the rod failure. Thus breaching a coolant port in the block. __________________ R34 NEO POWER

10-09-2008, 10:11 PM	#329
blu808 Post Whore! Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: SPACE Age: 26 Posts: 4,768 Trader Rating: (1)	Thats a great story Bill. Sure must have looked cool with that rooster tail. I almost hate to say this but your car would be unstoppable with a high compression Na Ls1 __________________ http://www.laboratory17.com/blu808sig.jpg I NEED A S14 INNER DOOR LATCH. Driver side. If you have one PM me ASAP !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! WWW.BLU808.COM

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