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pdub · 01-13-2009, 04:08 PM

3AM freeway manji,i was the only car on the freeway at the time.i did not endanger any one but myself. some 50mm overfenders fixd this easily.

97nismo · 01-13-2009, 04:21 PM

that z in the beginning of the thread is crazy

*!Zar!* · 01-13-2009, 04:56 PM

lol @ how most people who crashed their own car were on all seasons and trying to get them to perform like R-compounds...

I don't have any accident stories, but I sold my fc t2 to this kid and a week later he understeered off of a 50ft cliff and rolled it twice...

CrashQueen · 01-13-2009, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericcastro

This thread is full of NOOB, Fanboy fail,

Way to go all you Akina superstars,

Why dont you just come to some events and learn to drive,

I dont get it??

I'm with Castro on this one, it seems as though since the rep system was taken away, people have suddenly grown bigger balls thinking that they can say whatever they want and don't search before they post new threads and always have some crybaby excuses for starting a thread without searching for existing threads. All they are doing is just adding more junk threads and there is no reprimanding. Found the original crash thread in a matter of seconds.

whatda · 01-13-2009, 10:55 PM

all right here's mine
after playing initial d and watching the fast and the furious tokyo drift
best move ever

i saw an empty parking lot and i wanted to be like tak from initial d
and drift

92coupe_sr · 01-13-2009, 11:07 PM

97 240sx into 02 s10. not good. bags didnt deploy, just core support/bettery/radiator/condensor/hood/headlight/ and fender. haha the bumper wasnt even touched.... got all the needed parts from a junk yard and got it all back together myself. paint matched very well... yay!

CRASH

AFTER

*DALAZ_68* · 01-14-2009, 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nismosis

no one is perfect..not even you sir... so thank you and have a nice day...

actually he is, hes dreamy

Quote:

Originally Posted by S_13_Sr.

lol my friends car after some understeer i showed up to look after his car but someone had already taken all his gauges his bride bucket seat & a takata harness..

he had to walk down part ways on a broken leg until he had reception on his phone

LOL saw that shit LOL

then again...ive seen plenty of cars crash up there...ohwell...

Seriously though, take off the name of the road from this fucken thread or it will get locked...im with Ericcastro on this...itll be closed pretty soon

*bejota180sx* · 01-14-2009, 12:37 AM

a mod should *snip* the name of the place... or any other places named in future post in this thread...

undercoverdjay · 01-14-2009, 12:56 AM

Deer in 2004

Fixed with a roof swap, RHD firewall, and S15 core support. And moral support of my TT Z

*illvialuver* · 01-14-2009, 02:10 AM

Let them put the name of the roads, I can name tons around here, but I doubt the mods will do anything about it. The quality of threads and the organization of the forums have gone straight down the shitter.

I think if the purpose of a crash thread other than sharing stories about your adventures of driving like retards, was to show pictures of before and after and tell a story and have them all compiled to share, than there should just be one thread for crashes, instead of four of them and the people who start these thread would just search and post them in one thread( for the purpose of the thread). I'm sorry if this just makes too much sense for most new users or if organization does not seem to be an important factor for zilvia (like it used to).

This is for all the fan boys, Noobs, and clusterfucks out there who post in this thread and want to go mess up your cars, and than post up all your stories and pictures of your stupid deeds, you should all go drive...
Azusa,
Live Oak in Lake Forest
and Black Star and
Silverado canyons.
This way I can read more stupid shit on zilvia, and you can have more dumb stories and you can create work for the people that clean your body and car off the road.

The whole Trabuco Oaks area is full of these roads. I work off of them and I sincerely hope I don't drive out to work and see any of you hurt or dead on the side of the road. Truth is, its not cool to crash your cars on public roads. If you want to drive like your at the track do it at the track. For the sake of you and the sake of the people you might kill while driving like an irresponsible careless prick.

S13CoupeLover · 01-14-2009, 02:18 AM

you people may not be religious or whatever but hell, idc. For further references i'm not either.

he who is without sin, cast the first stone. /religious quote

Um for me about a year ago, i think. when i had my permit i had a 240sx coupe '89, and i was driving with my dad to get something to not even a mile away. so we are at a light waiting to turn left and the light turns yellow, a suv is coming through and offset from that suv there was another suv a suburban and me nor my dad saw it. so the first suv goes by and my dad says ok your good to go so go (and my dad gets freakin retarded when he drives with me he'd say "what are you aiting for?? gogogogogogogog now!!). i go and all of a sudden "watch out!!" then BAM! RRRRrrrr!!! i did not see my life flash before my eyes... i saw the car hit, slow motion mind you, window crack, passeneger side crush in, car spin, my head hit the window, dad bracing from impact, etc etc etc. i get out of the car pissed like what the hell was wronge with me?? sad moment ....

before

after

madmex · 01-14-2009, 02:30 AM

me my best friend and his lil bro were out for a drive one night in my friends accord. we were just drivin down the road when a drunk driver crossed the center line and hit us. we all walked away with scratches and bruises.

khmer1 · 01-14-2009, 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by S13CoupeLover

you people may not be religious or whatever but hell, idc. For further references i'm not either.

he who is without sin, cast the first stone. /religious quote

Um for me about a year ago, i think. when i had my permit i had a 240sx coupe '89, and i was driving with my dad to get something to not even a mile away. so we are at a light waiting to turn left and the light turns yellow, a suv is coming through and offset from that suv there was another suv a suburban and me nor my dad saw it. so the first suv goes by and my dad says ok your good to go so go (and my dad gets freakin retarded when he drives with me he'd say "what are you aiting for?? gogogogogogogog now!!). i go and all of a sudden "watch out!!" then BAM! RRRRrrrr!!! i did not see my life flash before my eyes... i saw the car hit, slow motion mind you, window crack, passeneger side crush in, car spin, my head hit the window, dad bracing from impact, etc etc etc. i get out of the car pissed like what the hell was wronge with me?? sad moment ....

before

after

^ readied the license plate frame and laugh(i think im just crazy but it is leaning sideways)

*illvialuver* · 01-14-2009, 02:49 AM

If he with out sin cast the first stone was said in response to what I said, no I don't drive like that, and even if I did wouldn't it be wise to learn from others mistakes rather than having to make the same stupid mistakes as others.

*illvialuver* · 01-14-2009, 02:53 AM

oh wooooow look its another crash thread, no waaaayy, and its been on zilvia all along?!?!?!?!? wtf, so if we use the search button we wont post duplicate threads??!!?!?!? really?
gee golly that's fuckin' amazing.

that just makes too much damn sense!

Also, how convenient.

Evo34wd · 01-14-2009, 03:03 AM

2 accidents in less than 12 hrs

drove home from school turn left someone ran a light almost got t-boned minor front bumper damage, next morning driving to work , going straight an old lady decides to turn left right infront of me, freaked out and stop t-boned her and ate her door panel

luckily got money from both accidents

*ericcastro* · 01-14-2009, 03:12 AM

The times I had gone to the canyons for a spirited drive was after I had done numerous SCCA auto cross events.
And I only went a few times before I realized what a waste it was and that all the young kids up there are idiots.
So i talked to the other guys in TEAM626, and we started hosting monthly events.
So we could stay on the track, and get other people to the track to enjoy real motorsports.

You don't get better up there. You learn nothing because you cant push your car to the limit and beyond. And the one time you do, you end up in this thread.

At the track, when you find you're beyond your cars limit, you hit some cones, haybails, or slide out into some dirt.
So you can learn quikly how to ride that edge, and learn to bring the car back from being out of control.

Initial D is a cartoon!!

Come to events, ask for instructors!!

After 3 events, you will be better than your friends will be after 2 years of "the touge".
So leave them pretending to be sweet drivers, and actually become one.

here,.
http://zilvia.net/f/motorsports/2328...-10-spots.html

(BTW, those guys in the picture are a few regular dudes that have been drifting around a year or less. In the picture they are running triple tandem at over 60mph. you won't get there in under a year on the street.)

And for those that had regular accidents, Sucks, glad your still here.

*illvialuver* · 01-14-2009, 03:19 AM

and another plus is that if you go to track events cops wont profile you for dumb shit as much and you don't have a chance of killing a family while drifting some mountain pass, because your in a safe environment.

*ericcastro* · 01-14-2009, 03:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by steve shadows

Just dont have sex in your car.

everycar I have had sex in has been totalled within 2 years of sex in said car.

then Im the exception to the rule

Or is it like rollover minutes?
Is it not from the first time you had done it?
So the most recent time is the start of the 2 years now

Quote:

Originally Posted by illvialuver

oh wooooow look its another crash thread, no waaaayy, and its been on zilvia all along?!?!?!?!? wtf, so if we use the search button we wont post duplicate threads??!!?!?!? really?
gee golly that's fuckin' amazing.

that just makes too much damn sense!

Also, how convenient.

LMAO!!

BoostSlideWayz · 01-14-2009, 03:54 AM

I find this thread the exact same thing as this one.....

Car accident pictures...

Not to be rude but whats the point ?? most ppl in the other thread told there stories about their crash. and lots of them posted pics of before and after the accident...

seems to be a waste of room and not looking at the board before the post....

*ericcastro* · 01-14-2009, 05:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoostSlideWayz

I find this thread the exact same thing as this one.....

Car accident pictures...

Not to be rude but whats the point ?? most ppl in the other thread told there stories about their crash. and lots of them posted pics of before and after the accident...

seems to be a waste of room and not looking at the board before the post....

yourself

Ahhhh, noobs.......

This thread was started before you were even on this forum.
But that other one,.......yes, it is a copy of this one.

I believe your post belongs in the thread you linked

Proper thinking, just got it reversed

ByeByeSti · 01-14-2009, 09:22 AM

Wellll this was wicked shitty.... i searched for 2 months to find an absolutely spotless e46 330ci.... welli managed to find one after sadly selling my s14..

first day i picked her up ^^

after falling asleep for 5 seconds, with cruise control on, heated seats on, windows up, and music down.. and not sleeping for 2 1/2 days... at 2 am on the way back from dinner and the movies..

yup those are still my temp plates.... and no daddy didnt buy it for me, i worked my ass off i bought it myself.

ya they claimed this at 16,800 worth of damage.... undercarriage was fine. drivers air bag went off. needed: bumper, fender, clear corners since mine popped out somewhere, entire wheel assembly. and 2 new rims and tires. and a new fog light.. seemed a bit steep. so they ended up totaling it and i got money off it obviously but still i miss it. i was fine since i nodded off and hit the brake when i did so. i clipped a stump at 25mph..

*lightsource* · 01-14-2009, 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 5150Fab

Welded diff, somewhat moist roads, bald tires, girlfriend driving.....FAIL

18 wheeler won this battle.

There was an RB under there so just about everything got busted on the front of the motor, very expensive fix for being a poor college student.

lmao, quoted.

HyperTek · 01-14-2009, 02:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by madmex

me my best friend and his lil bro were out for a drive one night in my friends accord. we were just drivin down the road when a drunk driver crossed the center line and hit us. we all walked away with scratches and bruises.

http://i41.tinypic.com/35aq3k0.jpg
http://i43.tinypic.com/14lu3k3.jpg

man that hurts me just looking at it.. glad u guys are still here to post this tho..
sadly that shit will continue to happen, cuz everbody gotta get they drink and party on right?? fuck drunk drivers

ironically ive known a few people who preach about fuck drunk drivers *from them loosing friends*, and then they end up getting DUIs themselves

*illvialuver* · 01-14-2009, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BoostSlideWayz

I find this thread the exact same thing as this one.....

Car accident pictures...

Not to be rude but whats the point ?? most ppl in the other thread told there stories about their crash. and lots of them posted pics of before and after the accident...

seems to be a waste of room and not looking at the board before the post....

This is a prime example of why this forum has seriously taken a turn for the worst in the past year.
We let people join who don't even search and try to prove a point but make themselves look ignorant.
Thanks for yet again proving my point for me.

I remember the old days, when people would neg rep you for stupid shit like this and you would learn from your mistakes. Or possibly think before you posted some stupid shit for the fear that someone with a high school diploma might read what you wrote and neg you for poor punctuation. Now people just post whatever they want, whenever they want, and with out any thought.
0r with out any logical thought.

nismosis · 01-14-2009, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericcastro

Either way, you were illegally racing along with your friends at speeds over the limit, so anything related, regardless of how it happened is your fault. (As well as your friends for participating)

Glad you have slowed down and only gotten one more ticket.

This thread is full of NOOB, Fanboy fail,

Way to go all you Akina superstars,

Why dont you just come to some events and learn to drive,

I dont get it??

well that speeding ticket when i was 16... im 23 now...almost 24... my accident was 2 years ago... so i havent gotten any speeding tickets since then...

oh yea...and actually... the accident was 40% my fault for speed...and 60% his fault because he pulled out in front of me... insurance / cops already decided that.... it was a double lane one way highway... and then the road he turned from was a double lane one road highway, theres grass inbetween the two directions of traffic... and dont think that i "illegally" street race all of the time.... i very rarely do in fact... that just happened to be one of the times that i did... i would way rather do it on a drag strip or go to a drift even / circuit track to do the fun driving

nismosis · 01-14-2009, 05:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericcastro

The times I had gone to the canyons for a spirited drive was after I had done numerous SCCA auto cross events.
And I only went a few times before I realized what a waste it was and that all the young kids up there are idiots.
So i talked to the other guys in TEAM626, and we started hosting monthly events.
So we could stay on the track, and get other people to the track to enjoy real motorsports.

You don't get better up there. You learn nothing because you cant push your car to the limit and beyond. And the one time you do, you end up in this thread.

At the track, when you find you're beyond your cars limit, you hit some cones, haybails, or slide out into some dirt.
So you can learn quikly how to ride that edge, and learn to bring the car back from being out of control.

Initial D is a cartoon!!

Come to events, ask for instructors!!

After 3 events, you will be better than your friends will be after 2 years of "the touge".
So leave them pretending to be sweet drivers, and actually become one.

here,.
http://zilvia.net/f/motorsports/2328...-10-spots.html

(BTW, those guys in the picture are a few regular dudes that have been drifting around a year or less. In the picture they are running triple tandem at over 60mph. you won't get there in under a year on the street.)

And for those that had regular accidents, Sucks, glad your still here.

i would agree... track > streets/canyons...id way rather hit a few cones than fly off of a fucking cliff...

*bejota180sx* · 01-14-2009, 06:29 PM

i know you guys mean well saying track is better than street but this isn't the point of the thread it's about posting your crash so lets just keep it that way and make it good enough to people who want to see crashes so they don't open ANOTHER thread with the same things...

BoostSlideWayz · 01-14-2009, 06:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ericcastro

yourself

Ahhhh, noobs.......

This thread was started before you were even on this forum.
But that other one,.......yes, it is a copy of this one.

I believe your post belongs in the thread you linked

Proper thinking, just got it reversed

Ohh ok, well either way... i know I once didnt search and under stand how frustrating it would be for you guys, so i now understand this issue here... what i dont get is why did the last person bump this thread istead of just posting on the one that was already up and visible ??

loveskylines · 01-14-2009, 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrashQueen

I'm with Castro on this one, it seems as though since the rep system was taken away, people have suddenly grown bigger balls thinking that they can say whatever they want and don't search before they post new threads and always have some crybaby excuses for starting a thread without searching for existing threads. All they are doing is just adding more junk threads and there is no reprimanding. Found the original crash thread in a matter of seconds.

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01-13-2009, 04:56 PM	#183
!Zar! Ezel verkrachtende schijteter Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Milf Valley Posts: 9,457 Trader Rating: (2)	lol @ how most people who crashed their own car were on all seasons and trying to get them to perform like R-compounds... I don't have any accident stories, but I sold my fc t2 to this kid and a week later he understeered off of a 50ft cliff and rolled it twice... __________________ -=Mel=-

01-13-2009, 10:55 PM	#185
whatda BANNED Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: 鷲岩 90041 Age: 19 Posts: 787 Trader Rating: (5)	all right here's mine after playing initial d and watching the fast and the furious tokyo drift best move ever i saw an empty parking lot and i wanted to be like tak from initial d and drift Last edited by whatda; 01-13-2009 at 10:57 PM. Reason: not a true story

01-14-2009, 03:12 AM	#197
ericcastro Premium Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: meet a giant fish....LIKE A BOSS!! Age: 33 Posts: 3,905 Trader Rating: (4) Rides Gallery: ericcastro	The times I had gone to the canyons for a spirited drive was after I had done numerous SCCA auto cross events. And I only went a few times before I realized what a waste it was and that all the young kids up there are idiots. So i talked to the other guys in TEAM626, and we started hosting monthly events. So we could stay on the track, and get other people to the track to enjoy real motorsports. You don't get better up there. You learn nothing because you cant push your car to the limit and beyond. And the one time you do, you end up in this thread. At the track, when you find you're beyond your cars limit, you hit some cones, haybails, or slide out into some dirt. So you can learn quikly how to ride that edge, and learn to bring the car back from being out of control. Initial D is a cartoon!! Come to events, ask for instructors!! After 3 events, you will be better than your friends will be after 2 years of "the touge". So leave them pretending to be sweet drivers, and actually become one. here,. http://zilvia.net/f/motorsports/2328...-10-spots.html (BTW, those guys in the picture are a few regular dudes that have been drifting around a year or less. In the picture they are running triple tandem at over 60mph. you won't get there in under a year on the street.) And for those that had regular accidents, Sucks, glad your still here. __________________ No, its not an SR, its a single cam..........

01-14-2009, 03:54 AM	#200
BoostSlideWayz Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Lebec Age: 20 Posts: 422 Trader Rating: (0)	I find this thread the exact same thing as this one..... Car accident pictures... Not to be rude but whats the point ?? most ppl in the other thread told there stories about their crash. and lots of them posted pics of before and after the accident... seems to be a waste of room and not looking at the board before the post.... __________________

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01-13-2009, 04:08 PM	#181
pdub Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: H-Town,TX Age: 24 Posts: 5 Trader Rating: (0)	3AM freeway manji,i was the only car on the freeway at the time.i did not endanger any one but myself. some 50mm overfenders fixd this easily.

01-13-2009, 04:21 PM	#182
97nismo Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Earth Age: 22 Posts: 378 Trader Rating: (9)	that z in the beginning of the thread is crazy

01-13-2009, 11:07 PM	#186
92coupe_sr Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: mississippi Age: 33 Posts: 39 Trader Rating: (0)	97 240sx into 02 s10. not good. bags didnt deploy, just core support/bettery/radiator/condensor/hood/headlight/ and fender. haha the bumper wasnt even touched.... got all the needed parts from a junk yard and got it all back together myself. paint matched very well... yay! CRASH AFTER

01-14-2009, 12:56 AM	#189
undercoverdjay Zilvia Junkie Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Potsdam New York Age: 26 Posts: 476 Trader Rating: (2)	Deer in 2004 Fixed with a roof swap, RHD firewall, and S15 core support. And moral support of my TT Z

01-14-2009, 02:10 AM	#190
illvialuver Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: orange county/fresno Age: 26 Posts: 2,233 Trader Rating: (4)	Let them put the name of the roads, I can name tons around here, but I doubt the mods will do anything about it. The quality of threads and the organization of the forums have gone straight down the shitter. I think if the purpose of a crash thread other than sharing stories about your adventures of driving like retards, was to show pictures of before and after and tell a story and have them all compiled to share, than there should just be one thread for crashes, instead of four of them and the people who start these thread would just search and post them in one thread( for the purpose of the thread). I'm sorry if this just makes too much sense for most new users or if organization does not seem to be an important factor for zilvia (like it used to). This is for all the fan boys, Noobs, and clusterfucks out there who post in this thread and want to go mess up your cars, and than post up all your stories and pictures of your stupid deeds, you should all go drive... Azusa, Live Oak in Lake Forest and Black Star and Silverado canyons. This way I can read more stupid shit on zilvia, and you can have more dumb stories and you can create work for the people that clean your body and car off the road. The whole Trabuco Oaks area is full of these roads. I work off of them and I sincerely hope I don't drive out to work and see any of you hurt or dead on the side of the road. Truth is, its not cool to crash your cars on public roads. If you want to drive like your at the track do it at the track. For the sake of you and the sake of the people you might kill while driving like an irresponsible careless prick.

01-14-2009, 02:18 AM	#191
S13CoupeLover Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Gardena, CA Age: 19 Posts: 22 Trader Rating: (0)	you people may not be religious or whatever but hell, idc. For further references i'm not either. he who is without sin, cast the first stone. /religious quote Um for me about a year ago, i think. when i had my permit i had a 240sx coupe '89, and i was driving with my dad to get something to not even a mile away. so we are at a light waiting to turn left and the light turns yellow, a suv is coming through and offset from that suv there was another suv a suburban and me nor my dad saw it. so the first suv goes by and my dad says ok your good to go so go (and my dad gets freakin retarded when he drives with me he'd say "what are you aiting for?? gogogogogogogog now!!). i go and all of a sudden "watch out!!" then BAM! RRRRrrrr!!! i did not see my life flash before my eyes... i saw the car hit, slow motion mind you, window crack, passeneger side crush in, car spin, my head hit the window, dad bracing from impact, etc etc etc. i get out of the car pissed like what the hell was wronge with me?? sad moment .... before after

01-14-2009, 02:30 AM	#192
madmex Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Newark Delaware Age: 20 Posts: 21 Trader Rating: (0)	me my best friend and his lil bro were out for a drive one night in my friends accord. we were just drivin down the road when a drunk driver crossed the center line and hit us. we all walked away with scratches and bruises.

01-14-2009, 02:49 AM	#194
illvialuver Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: orange county/fresno Age: 26 Posts: 2,233 Trader Rating: (4)	If he with out sin cast the first stone was said in response to what I said, no I don't drive like that, and even if I did wouldn't it be wise to learn from others mistakes rather than having to make the same stupid mistakes as others.

01-14-2009, 02:53 AM	#195
illvialuver Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: orange county/fresno Age: 26 Posts: 2,233 Trader Rating: (4)	oh wooooow look its another crash thread, no waaaayy, and its been on zilvia all along?!?!?!?!? wtf, so if we use the search button we wont post duplicate threads??!!?!?!? really? gee golly that's fuckin' amazing. that just makes too much damn sense! Also, how convenient.

01-14-2009, 03:03 AM	#196
Evo34wd Leaky Injector Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: cali Posts: 122 Trader Rating: (0)	2 accidents in less than 12 hrs drove home from school turn left someone ran a light almost got t-boned minor front bumper damage, next morning driving to work , going straight an old lady decides to turn left right infront of me, freaked out and stop t-boned her and ate her door panel luckily got money from both accidents

01-14-2009, 03:19 AM	#198
illvialuver Premium Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: orange county/fresno Age: 26 Posts: 2,233 Trader Rating: (4)	and another plus is that if you go to track events cops wont profile you for dumb shit as much and you don't have a chance of killing a family while drifting some mountain pass, because your in a safe environment.

01-14-2009, 09:22 AM	#202
ByeByeSti Zilvia Addict Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: New Hampshire Age: 19 Posts: 810 Trader Rating: (0)	Wellll this was wicked shitty.... i searched for 2 months to find an absolutely spotless e46 330ci.... welli managed to find one after sadly selling my s14.. first day i picked her up ^^ after falling asleep for 5 seconds, with cruise control on, heated seats on, windows up, and music down.. and not sleeping for 2 1/2 days... at 2 am on the way back from dinner and the movies.. yup those are still my temp plates.... and no daddy didnt buy it for me, i worked my ass off i bought it myself. ya they claimed this at 16,800 worth of damage.... undercarriage was fine. drivers air bag went off. needed: bumper, fender, clear corners since mine popped out somewhere, entire wheel assembly. and 2 new rims and tires. and a new fog light.. seemed a bit steep. so they ended up totaling it and i got money off it obviously but still i miss it. i was fine since i nodded off and hit the brake when i did so. i clipped a stump at 25mph..