vic2186

well lets put it like this...bring the car into wings performance on nov 11 2007 to get worked on..it had a stock sr with bolt ons and my intentions were to go with a new fmic,turbo,a little upgrades...it turned out to be a fully blown build at wings performance in nyc...i mean everything u can almost think of was done...top to bottom build..so the motor gets built and they take it to the dyno freshly new just assembeld and the shyt blows up..brand new motor gone to pieces..the whole bottom end shot..to speak i still had a balance due of about 5k..so i go to the shop the next day after the motor blow before they told me and i see my car on the lift getting taken APART..they said the motor was making a real loud clank noise..i new it was done but i had to know why..they tell me over the phone the car is going in for a base tune THE PREVIOUS DAY and not put on the dyno..dont know what happened but the car got on the dyno made 188hp and kabooommmmm...there she goes..then they tell me they towed the car back wateva I THINK THEY DROVE THE SHYT BACK WITH IT ALL FUCKED UP....the motor is gone iam not happy they not happy ..they tell me that they gonna rebuild it..my first build had eagle rods..hks cams..bearing blah blah..so they go ahead and put in the parts they want without asking me first..they order scat rods which i dont mind and bc cams stage one.. REUSE THE SAME PISTONS WHICH HAD BURN MARKS ON IT AND THEY SAY ITS GOOD..THEY ORDER ALL CHEAPER STUFF SO THEY WONT PAY WHAT I PAID!!!mind you bc cams are 234 and the hks are 500..i had the crank knife edged micro pokished the whole works..they were aurgin if i should pay or if should the shop pay..so the shop payed for everything and used cheaper stuff so they wont come out of pocket ...i stressed the shyt enough so i dont say nothin..after 18k yes 18 thousand dollars in a matter of three months WORKIN MY ASS OFF the cars is put back together and ready to get dynoed agian..my balance is paid in full..i ge the car to TOWED TO the dyno shop..and for some reason the fans aint kickin in i call the shop to figure it out and they say it should be working..whateva the tuner try everything and tunes the car it made 420 hp at 14 pounds.. running really fucking hot also..the tuner ask why the fans aint comin at all..and wants to make sure so to make sure my car dont overheat or blow up..i dont know what to tell him since i dont work on cars..whatever the car gets tuned the tuner puts his best into it and the cars is fine to my knowledge..the car breaks down in the middlew of the highway comin back from the shop and i open the hood to see my ac belt snap in half and smoke COMING FROM THE RAIDATOR...i checked the heats needle and it over heated..i pull to the side and call numerous people for help..wateva the car turns back on and i drive it back home upset as hell it was a really rainy day and wind also..the heat needle stay put in the middle..i make it home..park the car..wait till morning..the car does not want to turn on..iam upset..call the shop they send someone to look at it..dont know what the problems is ..so the shope pays for the tow truck and get on the car..take the spark plugs out and boom melted..can even see the head of the spark plug..compression on piston were 115 to 120 the max..dont know what it means they say its ok i know they should be at 150+..they put back newer spark plugs and the car turns on ok..they tell me i need newer ignition like split fire to amp the signal but i dont think thats the problem so i go by it..now i see the shop owner checking the timing???hmmmm why????cuz it was never set b4 the car went out to get tuned!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! the timng was was off becuase i saw him and his coworker adjusting it like crazy..i know this for a fact u change timing u need to retune or shts get hot..im mad already..they change the timing to what i dont know but i ask if the timing change will the tuned get fcked up ..they said it will mess with it a little..and also the fans were never programmed or wateva they were acitvate when i got the car back..what a shop...so they tell me that everything is fine and they change the oil and sparks plugs and drive the car arounfd they say its ok..i go by there word agian and take the car home thinking everything is settled..boom in the middle of driving home the car turns off agian..i call and they says it the sparks plugs fouling i need better igniiton..im mad agian..thinking 18 thousands dollar sshould have a turn key and drive built car rite..WRONG..NOW THE CAR SITS HERE IN MY DRIVEWAY WITH 20K IN THE HOOD UNABLE TO DRIVE..ITS MAKING A WIERD NOISE FROM THE HEAD LIKE A ROCKER ARM IS LOOSE OR A SPRING OR SOMETHING I DONT KNOW..THE CAR WONT STAY ON AGIAN AND I DONT WANT TO DEAL WITH THIS SHYT ANYMORE..YA AS A SHOP SHOULD HAVE YA SHYT TOGETHER AND DONT BULLSHYT SOMEONE AND TELL THEM THE TRUTH..I KNOW MY MOTOR WAS BAD FROM THE FACES THEY MAKE WHEN THEY WERE CHECKING IT...AND THEY SEND ME OFF SO I CAN GET THE BLAME..I SPEND 20 THOUSANDS DOLLARS AND IM NOT EVEN ENJOYING MY CAR...THANK YOU WINGS PERFORMANCE...YOU KNOW WHAT FOR THE AMOUNT OF MONEY I SPEND I SHOULD AT LEAST BE AT THE TOP OF YOUR PRIORITY TO GET MY CAR RUNNING RIGHT..BUT ALL YA WANT IT THE FCKIN MONEY AND DONT CARE ABOUT THE CUSTOMER..IAM SHYT OUT OF LUCK WITH MY CAR AND NOT EVEN ABLE TO USE IT..I WAITED FOUR MONTHS FOR THIS..AND IN 1 WEEK THE CAR DOESNT EVEN WORK!!!GOD DAM IM PISSED...I HAD IT WITH THIS CAR THAT STUPID SHOP EVERYTHING...THERE IS ONLY SOME HONEST PEOPLE THERE AND THEY KNOW WHO THEY I APRRECIATE EVERYTHING THEY DID FOR ME AND KEPT IT REAL..BUT FORREAL IF YA WERE ME YA WOULD BE UPSET ALSO..IMA ABOUT TO BURN THIS CAR DOWN...THANKS FOR TAKING MY MONEY!!!!AND THANKS FOR ALL THE BULLSHYT YA PUT IN MY EAR!!!THE CAR IS FOR SALE I HAD APREVIOUS POST ON HERE..IM LETTING IT GO FOR 10K... I DONT WANT TO DEAL WITH THIS CAR..OR THE SHOP OR NOTHIN COME AND TAKE IT AND I CAN SHOW U RECIEPTS FOR THE CAR AND DYNO SHEETS...AND IF YA WANT MAYB YA CAN CONVICNE WINGS TO FIX IT THATS IF THEY WANT TO..YOU GOT TO SHOW THE MONEY FIRST THEN THEY WILL HELP..

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You should try paragraphs.

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turbo_dreams

After all the bad things i've heard about wings, you should look for all the people that got screwed by them and use their reciepts and cars conditions to file a suit against them, trust me, you'll find ALOT like yourself. Sorry about your situation, if you ever need a trust worthy shop that knows nissans, my personal voucher would be tarmac motorsports in farmingdale ny, i know the owner personally, it's just him and 2 of his friends that work on the cars so they dont b/s around, the owner himself has a sr20 sentra close to 600whp, if you explain your situation and have a bit more faith left, i'm sure they'd help you out, tarmac-631-390-9410, ask for junior, tell him rajib sent you.

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vic2186

you dont know...i worked really hard to get this car running rite and paying off a 19k bill..and after the 1st day out the shop the car has problems..its sucks i couldve used that money on a new evo or g37..dam this blows..u live and learn..

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vic2186

they are honest people that i know in that shop and i respect them for that im sorry it had to come to this but i feel like i jerked..the people who give a dam about the customer they know who they are but its just wrong...

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vic2186

in better terms..

Cliffs are, he paid said shop to build his engine, using a a lot of decent parts, the engine blew before they made it to the dyno while attempting a base tune.

They then rebuilt the engine for him using lesser quality parts and reused the pistons that were supposedly "burnt".

He gets it trailered to the dyno and it makes good power but his radiator fans aren't coming on, he phones the shop and they say they should work.....

He then attempts to drive home and overheats the cars to the point of it stalling, phones the shop and they try to sell him some splitfire coils, saying it his ignition at fault.
Goes into the shop next day gets a compression test done with bad results, they tell him its fine and change the oil and spark plugs and send him on his way.
Car stalls out again on way home OP freaks out and wishes to sell car.

A lot of money was involved sorry dude.

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sTalnOut

wow bro im sorry to hear that and man i don't know what to say beside good luck with it and i would still try to call them everyday n have them fix the daym problem rather who fault it is *sigh* what comes around goes around man they'll get it some day.

180Sil

4 months to build a car is not really that long.....i know of 2 guys who built their 350z and 1 was 13months and the other was 2 yrs.

but good luck with ur car

vic2186

i apreciate all the help...

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RUTH'LESSDET

get a lawyer!!!

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Vic, 1st and up most I really feel for you. Al told me what happened and feel for you. But I have some questions for you and they're are things that don't make sense to me. So hopefully you can get it clear.

You said that you picked up the car and was taking it to the tuner shop, the shop told you that the electric fans weren't working why did you continue with the tune? more important why would the tunning shop due the tune. I know for a fact I wouldn't tune it if I saw something wrong that I didn't due.

Next if your ac belt broke and you over heated, you wouldn't over heat cause of the ac belt you would over heat if you fans wouldn't turn on. But you manage to get it started and take it home, why not bring it to us? let us deal with it.

Also your car shutting off on the expressway has nothing to do with your engine be bad, it sounded like your fuel got cutt off, but I wasn't there to see.

2nd we towed your car we never drove it here

Also I was told the night you blew the engine was the night you took your car out for a meet and to me I think you turn up your boost and you blew it. But I might be wrong.

Also about the timing you were off it was slight turn back and Wing adjusted because your tuner did it wrong.

About your HKS cams they may be top brand but the bc was a better improvement why cause it had more to offer for future needs.
Regardless they are both brand names.

In this world no one could ever be happy, no one. We try our best, You win some and you lose some. If we could we would sell you a prp, which in electronic stores would mean product replacement plan. but that can't happen. Even store like best buy or staples have their issues.

Vic like I said I feel for you, I am also customer of wings and I have built 240s myself there. I myself specialize in KA turbos and happen to be a damn good one. I have friends that spent more than enough on SR and yes they blow their engines for stupid reason. They think they have the titanic engine that won't give, but guess what it's and engine and it blows. KA blows.

Honda motors are different and you know cause you were a previous owner that's and engine that hard to crack.

In any event I have spoken to wing about it, you know he's a good person and he's not out to take your money. That man is a hard worker and great fully honest and deep hearted person. He's not about stealing your money, but rather building your dream. Unfortunately you happen to fall in a wrong category, you had a bad time and not with service but just problems and it happens. Only God knows what really happened and hopefully god will see this thread and respond to it lol.

I have plenty of people that can vouch for him for his work, you see the pink s13.5 that engine has more shit done the bolts are freaking chromed, the blue s14.5 Taes his engine was built too and ran freaking awesome until some stupid gas station he was at actually yesterday got stolen.

The green s14 another good car. and many more. I wish we could have tuned your car but we're in the process of finishing the dyno program tune.

Ask your self you think he would be in business if he didn't know what he was doing? You think he makes it up as he goes, no way. Have you seen his cars?

Vic you delt with wing talk to him figure it out with him, you and any of you that has delt with wing the owner knows what type of person he is.

I wish you the best of luck and I mean no harm just speaking as a friend and see both views.

Mario

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Dear Victor,

OK, Lets put it like this. You brought the car to my shop on Nov 11. 2007 to get the car work on. It was a basic FMIC, Turbo and lilttle. upgrade like you said and you was only looking to spend maximum of 4 to 5 Grand. The reason we told you to build this motor because you are looking to push 500+ whp. And with your first setup combination was never going to take you there. So we did a list for you that were going to get you up there, now it is your decision to accept the bill or not. We did not obligate you to waste this kind of money on the build. We ask that you should think first before we start the work. And finally, you have come to the final conclusion that you decide to build your motor and that’s when everything starts.

The motor gets build, we put it in the car and take it to tune, and meanwhile this was 4 months after you drop off your car. We took it to XXX Tuner to get it tune because he’s specializing in AEM. We told him to do a base tune only just to get the car drivable for a break in, he decide to Rev the motor to 8k RPM at 8PSI of Boost, which the motor never ran before because we didn’t know how to tune the AEM, and yes it Blows. It was not our fault, we’ve told the tuner that it was a fresh rebuilt motor and we do not want to put it on dyno but to have him set the base tune only. The tuner ended up putting the car on the Dyno and it blows up, we have no control over what the tuner does with the car on the dyno because we weren’t allow to be in the back where the dyno at but to wait at a room. We even offer you to come the same day to meet the tuner and you didn’t show up.

The next day you show up and you saw your car on the lift and wonder why. We told you that the tuner blew it up on the dyno during tuning. So now we told you that we have to rebuild the motor, there’s no arguing with you about who’s going to pay because we are responsible for the tuner mistake. Usually when your car blows up on the dyno, it’s not our responsibility to respond to the damages that were done on the Dyno. But we decide to do the rebuild on your motor anyway since you spent so much money. We’ve decided to help you out to rebuild the motor at no cost from you. Now, you tell me which shop offers this type of service to rebuild your motor again for FREE when it wasn’t our fault.

During your rebuild, we notice everything was shot except the head and piston. Now we have to replace everything which includes:
- A new block that we have to machine all over again
- Crankshaft that was micro polished; knife edge and balance
- Clevite 77 rod and main bearing
- New set a Scat Rods w/ ARP studs
- BC Racing step 2 Camshaft (Not step 1 like you said)
- New lifters
- New oil Pump
- New Rocker Arms
- New sets of piston Ring

Now you tell me where is all the cheap stuff that you are talking about. Anybody who knows their stuff should know that this is not a cheap part.

Meantime, we even sit down to talk with you about parts replacement and you agree on some parts which were BC cams step2 instead of 1. You were here that day, so don’t say that we putting parts w/o informed you. (Remember, we are replacing all of the parts at no cost including machine shop and not to talk about labor on our end.)

Now, the motor is finished again, this time we put stock injector and the MAF along with stock ECU to have the car run at idle for more than 2 weeks just to break in before your car goes in to the dyno. You were here to see the car when it is running and everything is working fine, so if the FAN weren’t working, your car will be overheating already before it went to the dyno. You see it yourself every Friday or Saturday when you come. You even stay here the whole day and start the car yourself and everything was working fine. You have no complaint except the idle not staying which were cause from the CAMS. Now you tell me, did you car overheated when you were here????

Now, your original bill is paid off and you decided to take your car to XXX to get tune. You constantly called the shop to let us know the HP number every hour and were very happy w/ the results. You never once call us about the fan being not working or the car overheating. If your car was overheating on the dyno, WHY would the Tuner continue to tune it if the motor is overheating, I don’t think that’s a smart things to do. You should have the Tuner to check on the fan at least, assuming he knows what he’s doing, they own a shop and according to you, they have well built corvette and etc…. car making massive amount of power and you tell me they don’t know how to fix a fan ???

Now you call the next day, and your car is not turning on, your fan is not turning on and sometimes it does start but it shakes a lot. So I send my guy there to see if he can fix the problem but there are no tools so my guy calls back and said to send the car back to the shop.

So the following Saturday, you brought the car to us which I PAID for the Towing to check on the problem. You put on your post that it was a rocker arm or blow head gasket or rod bearing when it was nothing like that. We check it and it was just the spark plug were Foul out and the whole tip of the spark plug was not melted. It was just the tip a lilttle burn because the tuner leans out the car too much. The reason you foul out the plug because you need a better ignition system, and we told you that. We also told you that this is going to happen again which it did and you called us and said it shut off. Now you said we were checking the timing like crazy and you don’t know why??? This is why, you were running too lean which led to your spark plug tip melting and you’re lucky the motor did not detonate. So we retarded the timing 1 degree so your motor won’t blow, so Why your mad??


The spark plug and the timing are all set by the tuner and not us. So your tips burn off and the timing problem, all came from the tuner and not us. No offend or nothing to the tuner, but you knows if you burn the tip of the spark plug, you running too lean. Now for the FAN issue, the fan is working fine and there’s no problem with it. So I don’t know why you said it’s not working. In addition, we didn’t charge you any money to replace your spark plug, oil change, Towing after you left because we want to help you out. What’s the BS with Wings Performance when we are trying everyway we can to help you out and you trying to BASH us!

Also, the reason your car was here all this time because you never have the money to pay off the balance and we never charge you storage fees. Reality, we even told you the car will finish way earlier. But being the nice guy that I am, I let you leave the car here doing nothing just to wait for you to pay off the balance. So I don’t know why you said it took us 4 months to build your motor when it only took us less than 1 month to finish your car.
I don’t know what the reason is that you have a problem with us saying that we full of BS when every time you have a problem, we always go out of our way to help you out.
If you have any problem with your car or anything, please make an attempt to call or visit us before you post anything which is not true. Our goal is to make every customer happy when they walk out the shop and not bad mouth us. (If you want to talk to me, give me a call or come down to the shop so that we can clear up the misunderstanding.)

Sincerely,
Wing @ Wings performance
58-73 Grand Ave,
Maspeth NY 11378
(718) 416-0137

Z33dori

wow he got raped w/ no lube fa-sho

zenki_240sx

victor this is al! sorry to hear about what happened to your car. ive read both sides of the story. I really think you should give them a call or bring the car in for them to check. ive been going to wings for over 5 years and i never had any problems with them. you should really give them a call and try to talk to them. i know they are willing to help and fix what ever it may be. i know you are frustrated and you are eager to drive your car. but if youve read most of the builts here, most of them took almost over a year to finish. i spoke to you earlier this week and told you i will talk to the shop and see what they can do. i am very good friends with the owner and his co workers they are very good people. call me if you have any other questions.

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shmiddy

i gotta vouch for wings, really cool guys.. they did a s14 swap on my buddies car in like 1 1/2 days and the car runs like gold........... the guys at the shop really know what they are talking about, and i was even considering having them do my s13 sr for some mayjor HP ++

sorry to hear about what happened tho

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vic2186

so where is the part where the pistons only read 115 on the compression test??when they suppose to be at 150+??and they fans wasnt coming on by your employees mouth..you were suppose to have the timing set before the car went out to get tuned not when it came back all fucked up..and first of all the tuner is a tuner not a dam repair shop..he tuned the car not fix ya mistakes..andi did call LEE AND ASK HIM WHY THE FANS WASNT COMING ON SO DONT SIT UP HERE AND LIE TO THE PUBLIC..

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vic2186

listen wings ,lee, if you were to spend over 18k on a car you will expect it to run and not have any problems..i called several other nissan specific shops and they are saying its not the ignition!!!why wasnt the timing set before the car left wing..then ya check the compression on the motor and it read 112 to 120 the highest and supposely the motor is good??when i told this to xxx shops they said the compression is tow low and is suppose to be above 150+ with the car fully warmed up..and you know what i visited this shop and my friend who has a built s14 same motor work like me has above 150 compression hmmmmmm let me guess maybe my pistons were fucked to begin with and ya didnt want to put new ones in..

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vic2186

and dont sit up here and lie to me and say i didnt call you LEE to tell you the dam fans werent coming on and that the idle screw or idle was acting up..and yes did tuner did tune the car becuase he had about 5 fans on the motor so it was fine..and did ya tell me ya put in scat rods no you didnt you put it in then told me while they were in already..how ya didnt know i wanted eagle rods agian or the hks step one just because its my prefrence and what I WANT SINCE IM THE CUSTOMER??

hks cams-$500
bc cams-$234

eagle rods-$400
scat rods?-highest i saw was $299



you told me that the crank is blah this and blah that and i didnt see nothin go inside the motor and by you word i go by it..

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vic2186

and you listen... i aprrciate it that you left my car there for 4months and i did have a high balance but not i time i didnt miss a payment and was always on time with them..i paid a balance of over 18k in 4 months working my ass off to not use a car that ya built...the tuner did his thing AND TUNED THE CAR..HE IS A GOOD TUNER AND SPENT OVER 8 HOURS ON MY CAR ALONG..THE AC BELY BROKE OF YES IT DID I SHOWED YA THE DAM BELT..YA STILL OWE ME A NEW BELT AND A FREON CHARGE FOR THE AC ALSO..?WHAT ABOUT THAT??DID YA CALL ME AND TELL ME that or do i have to remind you about it?or ya was just going to keep the money for the freon charge and the belt?

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vic2186

and how the hell mister mario you going to sit up here and say this??

Also I was told the night you blew the engine was the night you took your car out for a meet and to me I think you turn up your boost and you blew it. But I might be wrong.

I DONT EVEN KNOW YOU..YOU ARE WRONG HOW WELL I TAKE MY CAR TO A DAM MEET IF THE SHYT DONT EVEN RUN U DAM TURD..I DONT KNOW YOU OR EVER MET YOU AT WINGS..DONT KNOW IF YOU ARE THERE HYPE MAN OR JUST A CHEERLEADER..

Next if your ac belt broke and you over heated, you wouldn't over heat cause of the ac belt you would over heat if you fans wouldn't turn on. But you manage to get it started and take it home, why not bring it to us? let us deal with it.

IT WAS 8 PM AT NIGHT WINGS WAS CLOSED..AND I WORK THE NEXT DAY BECUASE I DO HAVE A JOB AND DONT SIT UP HERE ON FORUMS EVERY DAY..

2nd we towed your car we never drove it here
I HEARD FROM WINGS MOUTH HIMSELF THAT HE DROVE THE CAR BACK HOW WILL I KNOW BECAUSE HE SAID MY SUSPENSION WAS BAD AND I TOLD HIM WHY U SAY THAT HE SAID WHEN HE DROVE MY CAR BACK FORM THE DYNO??AND YA TOWED IT LOL...WHAT A SHOP..ADMIT IT YOU DROVE THE CAR BACK AND MADE THE SITUATION WORSER THAN WHAT IT WAS MAYBE IF YA WOULDVE TOWED IT BACK IT WOULDE BEEN MINOR DAMAGES..and how will ya know the car was making a loud clanking noise on the way back??hmm maybe becuase mr wingd drove it back..

listen..i spoke my mind and thats thats..i spent alot of money there and my car is not working..who wouldnt complain..the car is sitting not doing nothin 18k later and im not happy..ya are 18k richer and can go on everyday and do ya job..while im here typing this away with a non working fully built car??im not HAPPY WITH WINGS PERFORMANCE..I HEARD ALOT OF STUFF ABOUT THIS SHOP AND PUT IT ASIDE AND TOOK MY CAR THERE..NOW I KNOW WHY PEOPLE SAY THE THINGS THEY DO..i wish this would nevr had to come down to this..but it did..and i got jerked..AND WING THIS IS ME SPEAKING TO YOU DIRECTLY..YOU HAVE YOUR THIRTEEN SR20DET CARS AND WATEVER BECAUSE YOU CAN GO AND SPEND MONEY LIKE THAT AND BUY STUFF..I WORKED SO HARD WING TO GET THIS CAR THEY WAY IT IS AND IM NOT EVEN USING IT..YOU DONT KNOW HOW I FEEL RIGHT NOW AND FORREAL TO TELL YOU THE TRUTH IM HOLDING BACK ALOT..BUT I RESPECT WORKER AT YOUR JOB ALOT..THEY KNOW WHO THEY ARE..IF YOU WILL PUT THE SAME INPUT U WILL TO YOUR OWN CARS LIKE YOU WOULDVE DONE TO MINE MAYBE WE WILL BOTH BE HAPPY..BUT MY MONEY IS GONE..18K FLUSH DOWEN YOUR POCKETS..AND ITS TOUGH..

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.................................................. .im so mad...........................

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ok, i'm not going to lie, but this is starting to look like your private blog or something. i understand you're upset and you feel like you blew 18g, which is a crap load and all, but there is no need to post something new here every 5 minutes...you should try and actually meet up and talk to them in person and see if they can solve this.

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Vic you've lost your cool man, talk to wing give him a call.

Don't lose respect to me no where I lost it with you in fact Al and I have spoke to wings about you. and now your calling me a cheerleader lol your kidding me now.

I know you and you know me you just don't remember.


If you want to call me a turd it's ok and want to put me down, I never hurt you in fact just some things that I was told.

Remember thats why i said clear up things with me I was trying to help you.


I wish you best of luck and staying out your business good luck with wings now.

Mario Aka your turd.

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vic man...ur making my eyes hurt....fix your wording...worser!?!?!?!


i understand ur loss on ur car....but i suggest u take it off forums and talk directly to Wings owner

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srdet811

Don't be fooled by Tarmac either. Wings did my motor swap and the wiring under my dash is crap and crap is jut being nice. One day heading to work the wires under my dash started smoking up. I took the car back to wings and they did take any responsability for the work. They started looking for excuses of work I needed done to look under the dash and charge me to look at the wiring. They also over priced some parts when thy did my initial work. Now Tarmac, well what can I say......They did some work like wiring some guages (AEM tru boost, aem air to fuel, water temp) The mess of wires that was left by the fuse box by the pedals is not quality labor. On one day they did not even have a timing gun to check my timing on the car. Certain work if yu can avoid cutting out these shops plase do so. There is a dude John in Deer Park, who works only on extic high end cars familiar with SR and RB motors. He is the man to deal with. Tarmac did not convince me sorry to say. Yeah they got nice cars worked on but is their stuff that gets quality labor.