Coolant Swirl Tank : How To Installment no.2 *Approved*

*steve shadows* · 02-17-2007, 10:31 PM

How to hook up a coolant swirl tank for constant bleed on your coolant system.

This is great for road racing or pretty much any application to assure that your system is free of hot air pockets which can destroy cooling efficency and possibly blow your engine.

Note Most of the KITS do not come with a provided radiator hose intercept T thing like for a temp gauge fitting etc. I used the Circuit Sports one which is almost the same thread as the greddy, just be liberal with teflon tape or get the Greddy one seperatly from them or the distributor(anodized blue).

Youll need some simple tools

8mm socket
10mm socket
11mm open end
10mm/8mm open if you want
Needle Nose Plyers
A sharp Razor or in my case Spyderco Rescue Knife (ats55 steel ftw!).
And if you want to do it like me- 1/8 pipe thread TAP and 1/8 thread (1/4 inch nipple fitting for the bleeder). A drill bit for metal is good too to start the hole if you want to retro fit it in the same way.

Some stuff youll need
Extra 1/4 inch hose fuel or clear accrylic vaccum hose
If you want to have backup length.
Some small Hose clamps and optional stainless steel braided line
If you want to route it the exact same way that I did on my install...
New Hose clamps for the radiator hose are always reccomended.

1. Drain the coolant out of the Radiator Drain plug at the bottom
or you can just pull the lower hose off and drain it into a pan.

2. Pull the top radiator hose off and prepare to remove the water jacket.
The water jacket on the top of the engine is located on the exaust side.
This is the side that i re-tapped for the 1/8th pipe fitting.

This is the area your talking about...

3. The exaust side water kneck/jacket can be taken off with a 10mm socket and extension on a rachet. There are 3 in a triangle figure like the pic.
Tap it gently with a rubber mallet to break the silicon seal.

4. **OPTIONAL** if you want to install a NISMO thermostat at this time (which I highly reccomend for summer states like CA or FL) ---

--Same goes for the intake side water kneck that houses the thermostat.
Loosen the 3 10mm bolts and tap it gentle with a mallet.

this kneck...

5.Ok, now with bot hoses off and kneck(s) off the motor take the exaust kneck and the loosen the 10mm bleeder screw out of it with a 10mm open end or socket. Now install the greddy or other provided nipple fitting which threads directly into the kneck. Be VERY careful when torquing it, a little more than hand tight and it will break and stay stuck in the bleeder area(tap).

If this happens as It did to me cus im a power lifting east germn, then youll need to customize it. I used a 1/8 inch metal drill bit from ace hardware after unscrewing the brken piece with a screw driver that was sharpened. Drill the hole larger so you can fit the 1/8th inch pipe thread tap into the hole and re tap it. make sure its centered when you drill the hole so you dont compromise the rise out of the kneck.

Now get your tap and an 11mm open end (as that was the size of the top of my tap's drive head). and spray some wd-40 on the place your about to tap then slowly start to tighten it into the new virgin aluminum. Re tap it a couple times and take your time. Then when you think youve got good thread hand thread your new brass nipple fitting into place and then wash it throughly out with a jet from a hose from your house to get all aluminum shavings out.

6. After Cleaning the kneck surface and block mating surface (get the old silicon off), Your well on your way to finalizing the easy install...

Re apply either Ultra Grey (which i reccomend if you can get it) or High Temp Silicon (i used copper but usually dont reccomend), just the right mount (not too liberally, to the surface of the water kneck on the block and the kneck itself.

Now just re-tighten the Bolts 3 (10mm). About 6 ft lbs or one good 45 deg turn once it tight with a rachet.

7. Now Re- attach the upper radiator hose

8. Now take the lower radiator hose and cut it in half, with the shorter length being towards the radiator although it does not matter. Take your CS or Greddy Insert for the Rad hose and insert and clamp, and also tighten down the other provided fitting for this piece in the kit. (also a nipple). This will feed into the bottom fitting of the swirl pot itself.

9.Ok now take the provided line and your extra 1/4 inch line if you needed it. Here is how the line routing goes.

Mounting- I mounted Mine to one of the Nissan Chasis pre-tapped 10mm holes on the side of the shock tower, I used two 10mm bolts to
hold it in place. I reccomend using something like this. Make sure the Swirl tank is elevated in relation to the radiator cap and bleed hole.

1. The Upper Top Nipple feeds into the Resivor or Overflow tank (mine is in the mail soon so I just ran it as a overflow under the car for right now)
CAUTION---make sure if you just dump this line it is not throwing coolant at the brake or wheel area. coolant is slick. My car is not driving, just idling.
.
2. The Next nipple down the one that sticks out the same direction as the one I just mentioned goes to the Coolant Bleeder Nipple (the brass one for ex).
3.The one that is cock-eyed to these two goes to the Radiator Nipple (where the radiator cap is).

the one with the more clear line in this pic

4. The Bottom Nipple feeds back into the Lower Radiator Hose which should now have your nipple fitted into the aluminum Greddy or Circuit Sports Insert.

10. Route and snip and clamp (with provided clamps) use the needle nose to clamp the clamps on appropriately. If you route your around the back of the engine like me be sure to use steel braided line where it runs over the exaust side of the valve cover.

11. Now fill the car with the appropriate 60/40 or 55/45 mix of Coolant and Distilled water and let the car idle and warm up, You should see it working immediatly as coolant and bubbles come out of the bleeder line and travel into the swirl pot

Thanks to Dousan for turning me onto this (aka Aaron).

Note: This car is not being driven right now, be careful not to drain the res-line onto your brakes or tires.

route it to a res or straigth under the car from the swirl tank location.*

cheers and happy cooling

-steve (kochan) Shadows

**mrmephistopheles** · 02-17-2007, 11:45 PM

so your overflow is routed to the tire/brake area?
I don't like that idea.. antifreeze is very slick shit, esp when combined with petroleum, and the idea of hot rotor + coolant is very scary to me. Maybe just draining it straight down from it's current location would be best.

*steve shadows* · 02-17-2007, 11:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mrmephistopheles

so your overflow is routed to the tire/brake area?
I don't like that idea.. antifreeze is very slick shit, esp when combined with petroleum, and the idea of hot rotor + coolant is very scary to me. Maybe just draining it straight down from it's current location would be best.

The car is not driving yet. i just stuck it there until the resivor arrives

Ill make sure thats clear

Striaght down is fine as long as you have line long enough to drain under the car and not get all

over your nice or crappy wiring etc.

thanks I added a reminder on that note.

*Slidin240Wayz* · 02-18-2007, 12:05 AM

You beat me to it. Very nice though.

Carlos

*MELLO*SOS* · 02-19-2007, 10:31 AM

nice write up!

But why do you spell NECK as KNECK?

g6civcx · 02-19-2007, 10:36 AM

+1 rep.

Tip: use a 91-93 Sentra SE-R water outlet gasket, available from Fel-Pro for about $1.50. It fits the SR water outlet perfectly and does not leak.

*Slidin240Wayz* · 02-19-2007, 10:57 AM

I am planning my v-mount right now. I will have 2 fillers, one on the radiator and an extra one by the upper waterneack. Can I send a hose to the higher filler compared to the upper waterneck if the extra filler will be higher than the upper waterneck?

Carlos

*punxva* · 02-19-2007, 11:04 AM

so by installing this we can now ditch the shitty coolant res.?

*240trainee* · 02-19-2007, 12:47 PM

You should still have a coolent res. of some sort, for the extra coolent to drain into instead of just onto the ground (a requirement for most sanctioning bodys anyways in the US) But, it doesn't have to be higher than the rad anymore, could use something from summit racing or whatever and mount it low.

*steve shadows* · 02-19-2007, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 240trainee

You should still have a coolent res. of some sort, for the extra coolent to drain into instead of just onto the ground (a requirement for most sanctioning bodys anyways in the US) But, it doesn't have to be higher than the rad anymore, could use something from summit racing or whatever and mount it low.

Yeah exactly, use the res, instead of the ground, I dont have my res yet so mine is just draining.

*steve shadows* · 02-19-2007, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slidin240Wayz

I am planning my v-mount right now. I will have 2 fillers, one on the radiator and an extra one by the upper waterneack. Can I send a hose to the higher filler compared to the upper waterneck if the extra filler will be higher than the upper waterneck?

Carlos

Carlos Im not sure what you mean by extra filler? Got a pic or clarification.

The bleeder needs to be off the top of the sytem itself, not an external can from the top of the system.

hope that helps.

***S14DB*** · 02-19-2007, 01:25 PM

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=97768

*steve shadows* · 02-19-2007, 02:37 PM

yeah also a good link, i was trying to debate whether or not the return has to go in before the thermostat ont he lower side or if it can go into one of the TB lines...

I just did it the instructed way for now.

***S14DB*** · 02-19-2007, 02:53 PM

Has to be at the lowest point possible.

*steve shadows* · 02-23-2007, 03:43 PM

um, so i think

***the Radiator Cap needs to be moved to the swirl pot and the dumby cap needs to be moved to the top of the radiator***

im a retard.

that is all for now.(if im wronge let me know, i just ran all the coolant out of my motor...good times).

*Dousan_PG* · 02-23-2007, 04:55 PM

yeah rad cap there and the dummy cap on the radiator

i forgot to say

i use a radiator cap on both actually haha never had a problem
the dummy cap is a pos. i wouldnt trust it. fell apart on me.

other then that...hmmm yeah.

*Slidin240Wayz* · 02-23-2007, 06:12 PM

Time to get the stant caps! Thanks.

Carlos

*EAS13* · 03-08-2007, 01:14 PM

Hi guys, question for you.

I have my expansion tank setup exactly as it's laid out in this write-up, with one difference, I'm using a circuit sports reservoir tank.

In case you haven't seen it, it has a nipple on the bottom of the tank under the curved area (you can't see it in this pic, but it's there). This is where I have the overflow(top nipple) from my expansion tank going to.

Instead of allowing the reservoir tank to overflow out of the top nipple, where could I route it to return back into the cooling system? Or should I not do that at all?

Good write-up by the way, +1.

Jonnie Fraz · 03-24-2007, 10:45 PM

Great write up...I like the fact you even let us know what to do if you stripped out the threads.
You might want to work on your pics a little...I am still trying to get my eyes focused...lol

**mrmephistopheles** · 03-26-2007, 06:29 AM

Approved

Just kneeds the ktypos kremoved and some slightly improved sentence/paragraph structure. Also, finalize the How-to into one post, combining the rest of the info you provided in the subsequent posts.

02-17-2007, 10:31 PM	#1 (permalink)
steve shadows Nissan Dynometer Tuning Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mission Viejo Posts: 6,711 Trader Rating: (1)	Coolant Swirl Tank : How To Installment no.2 Approved How to hook up a coolant swirl tank for constant bleed on your coolant system. This is great for road racing or pretty much any application to assure that your system is free of hot air pockets which can destroy cooling efficency and possibly blow your engine. Note Most of the KITS do not come with a provided radiator hose intercept T thing like for a temp gauge fitting etc. I used the Circuit Sports one which is almost the same thread as the greddy, just be liberal with teflon tape or get the Greddy one seperatly from them or the distributor(anodized blue). Youll need some simple tools 8mm socket 10mm socket 11mm open end 10mm/8mm open if you want Needle Nose Plyers A sharp Razor or in my case Spyderco Rescue Knife (ats55 steel ftw!). And if you want to do it like me- 1/8 pipe thread TAP and 1/8 thread (1/4 inch nipple fitting for the bleeder). A drill bit for metal is good too to start the hole if you want to retro fit it in the same way. Some stuff youll need Extra 1/4 inch hose fuel or clear accrylic vaccum hose If you want to have backup length. Some small Hose clamps and optional stainless steel braided line If you want to route it the exact same way that I did on my install... New Hose clamps for the radiator hose are always reccomended. 1. Drain the coolant out of the Radiator Drain plug at the bottom or you can just pull the lower hose off and drain it into a pan. 2. Pull the top radiator hose off and prepare to remove the water jacket. The water jacket on the top of the engine is located on the exaust side. This is the side that i re-tapped for the 1/8th pipe fitting. This is the area your talking about... 3. The exaust side water kneck/jacket can be taken off with a 10mm socket and extension on a rachet. There are 3 in a triangle figure like the pic. Tap it gently with a rubber mallet to break the silicon seal. 4. OPTIONAL if you want to install a NISMO thermostat at this time (which I highly reccomend for summer states like CA or FL) --- --Same goes for the intake side water kneck that houses the thermostat. Loosen the 3 10mm bolts and tap it gentle with a mallet. this kneck... 5.Ok, now with bot hoses off and kneck(s) off the motor take the exaust kneck and the loosen the 10mm bleeder screw out of it with a 10mm open end or socket. Now install the greddy or other provided nipple fitting which threads directly into the kneck. Be VERY careful when torquing it, a little more than hand tight and it will break and stay stuck in the bleeder area(tap). If this happens as It did to me cus im a power lifting east germn, then youll need to customize it. I used a 1/8 inch metal drill bit from ace hardware after unscrewing the brken piece with a screw driver that was sharpened. Drill the hole larger so you can fit the 1/8th inch pipe thread tap into the hole and re tap it. make sure its centered when you drill the hole so you dont compromise the rise out of the kneck. Now get your tap and an 11mm open end (as that was the size of the top of my tap's drive head). and spray some wd-40 on the place your about to tap then slowly start to tighten it into the new virgin aluminum. Re tap it a couple times and take your time. Then when you think youve got good thread hand thread your new brass nipple fitting into place and then wash it throughly out with a jet from a hose from your house to get all aluminum shavings out. 6. After Cleaning the kneck surface and block mating surface (get the old silicon off), Your well on your way to finalizing the easy install... Re apply either Ultra Grey (which i reccomend if you can get it) or High Temp Silicon (i used copper but usually dont reccomend), just the right mount (not too liberally, to the surface of the water kneck on the block and the kneck itself. Now just re-tighten the Bolts 3 (10mm). About 6 ft lbs or one good 45 deg turn once it tight with a rachet. 7. Now Re- attach the upper radiator hose 8. Now take the lower radiator hose and cut it in half, with the shorter length being towards the radiator although it does not matter. Take your CS or Greddy Insert for the Rad hose and insert and clamp, and also tighten down the other provided fitting for this piece in the kit. (also a nipple). This will feed into the bottom fitting of the swirl pot itself. 9.Ok now take the provided line and your extra 1/4 inch line if you needed it. Here is how the line routing goes. Mounting- I mounted Mine to one of the Nissan Chasis pre-tapped 10mm holes on the side of the shock tower, I used two 10mm bolts to hold it in place. I reccomend using something like this. Make sure the Swirl tank is elevated in relation to the radiator cap and bleed hole. 1. The Upper Top Nipple feeds into the Resivor or Overflow tank (mine is in the mail soon so I just ran it as a overflow under the car for right now) CAUTION---make sure if you just dump this line it is not throwing coolant at the brake or wheel area. coolant is slick. My car is not driving, just idling. . 2. The Next nipple down the one that sticks out the same direction as the one I just mentioned goes to the Coolant Bleeder Nipple (the brass one for ex). 3.The one that is cock-eyed to these two goes to the Radiator Nipple (where the radiator cap is). the one with the more clear line in this pic 4. The Bottom Nipple feeds back into the Lower Radiator Hose which should now have your nipple fitted into the aluminum Greddy or Circuit Sports Insert. 10. Route and snip and clamp (with provided clamps) use the needle nose to clamp the clamps on appropriately. If you route your around the back of the engine like me be sure to use steel braided line where it runs over the exaust side of the valve cover. 11. Now fill the car with the appropriate 60/40 or 55/45 mix of Coolant and Distilled water and let the car idle and warm up, You should see it working immediatly as coolant and bubbles come out of the bleeder line and travel into the swirl pot Thanks to Dousan for turning me onto this (aka Aaron). Note: This car is not being driven right now, be careful not to drain the res-line onto your brakes or tires. route it to a res or straigth under the car from the swirl tank location.* cheers and happy cooling -steve (kochan) Shadows __________________ www.myspace.com/shadowerks DYNO Tuning Reviews CLICK HERE!!!

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mrmephistopheles No time for the jibba-jabba! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: BFE Age: 6 Posts: 13,054 Trader Rating: (3) Rides Gallery: mrmephistopheles	so your overflow is routed to the tire/brake area? I don't like that idea.. antifreeze is very slick shit, esp when combined with petroleum, and the idea of hot rotor + coolant is very scary to me. Maybe just draining it straight down from it's current location would be best. __________________

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Slidin240Wayz Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Everywhere Age: 24 Posts: 5,141 Trader Rating: (2)	You beat me to it. Very nice though. Carlos __________________ Support Zilvia by purchasing a sticker!

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Slidin240Wayz Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Everywhere Age: 24 Posts: 5,141 Trader Rating: (2)	I am planning my v-mount right now. I will have 2 fillers, one on the radiator and an extra one by the upper waterneack. Can I send a hose to the higher filler compared to the upper waterneck if the extra filler will be higher than the upper waterneck? Carlos __________________ Support Zilvia by purchasing a sticker!

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g6civcx Post Whore! Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Virginia, USA Posts: 4,203 Trader Rating: (1)	+1 rep. Tip: use a 91-93 Sentra SE-R water outlet gasket, available from Fel-Pro for about $1.50. It fits the SR water outlet perfectly and does not leak.

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240trainee TEAM PTERO!!!1!!1!! Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Richmond, VA Age: 21 Posts: 3,705 Trader Rating: (0)	You should still have a coolent res. of some sort, for the extra coolent to drain into instead of just onto the ground (a requirement for most sanctioning bodys anyways in the US) But, it doesn't have to be higher than the rad anymore, could use something from summit racing or whatever and mount it low. __________________ Team Pterodactyl SHARK ATTACK!!! LookoutDrift

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steve shadows Nissan Dynometer Tuning Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mission Viejo Posts: 6,711 Trader Rating: (1)	yeah also a good link, i was trying to debate whether or not the return has to go in before the thermostat ont he lower side or if it can go into one of the TB lines... I just did it the instructed way for now. __________________ www.myspace.com/shadowerks DYNO Tuning Reviews CLICK HERE!!!

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*S14DB* AFC #1 Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: 昨晩あなたのお母さんの家 Posts: 12,521 Trader Rating: (1) Rides Gallery: S14DB	Has to be at the lowest point possible. __________________ Coco is the new pink.

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steve shadows Nissan Dynometer Tuning Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Mission Viejo Posts: 6,711 Trader Rating: (1)	New Development! woo hoo. um, so i think *the Radiator Cap needs to be moved to the swirl pot and the dumby cap needs to be moved to the top of the radiator* im a retard. that is all for now.(if im wronge let me know, i just ran all the coolant out of my motor...good times). __________________ www.myspace.com/shadowerks DYNO Tuning Reviews CLICK HERE!!!

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Dousan_PG Pink GodziRa Join Date: May 2002 Location: Irvine, California Age: 29 Posts: 15,459 Trader Rating: (2) Rides Gallery: Dousan_PG	yeah rad cap there and the dummy cap on the radiator i forgot to say i use a radiator cap on both actually haha never had a problem the dummy cap is a pos. i wouldnt trust it. fell apart on me. other then that...hmmm yeah. __________________ Aaron Pink GodziRa

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Slidin240Wayz Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Everywhere Age: 24 Posts: 5,141 Trader Rating: (2)	Time to get the stant caps! Thanks. Carlos __________________ Support Zilvia by purchasing a sticker!

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EAS13 Premium Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: LA Posts: 145 Trader Rating: (0)	Hi guys, question for you. I have my expansion tank setup exactly as it's laid out in this write-up, with one difference, I'm using a circuit sports reservoir tank. In case you haven't seen it, it has a nipple on the bottom of the tank under the curved area (you can't see it in this pic, but it's there). This is where I have the overflow(top nipple) from my expansion tank going to. Instead of allowing the reservoir tank to overflow out of the top nipple, where could I route it to return back into the cooling system? Or should I not do that at all? Good write-up by the way, +1.

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Jonnie Fraz Premium Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cali Age: 40 Posts: 771 Trader Rating: (6) Rides Gallery: Jonnie Fraz	Great write up...I like the fact you even let us know what to do if you stripped out the threads. You might want to work on your pics a little...I am still trying to get my eyes focused...lol __________________ Tension Arm Brace Click here

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mrmephistopheles No time for the jibba-jabba! Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: BFE Age: 6 Posts: 13,054 Trader Rating: (3) Rides Gallery: mrmephistopheles	Approved Just kneeds the ktypos kremoved and some slightly improved sentence/paragraph structure. Also, finalize the How-to into one post, combining the rest of the info you provided in the subsequent posts. __________________

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